Spoilers Across the Spider-Verse grade and discussion

[thribs]

616B? LoL!
I don’t see having the actual 616 Spider-Man show up. Just pick an issue number and say this happens after that. Just have the writer check with a Spidey fan to see if anything they have written conflicts with the comics and you’re fine. It’s not like the casual viewer will need to know everything about that version to understand the movie.
Then afterwards in ASM you can have him reference the movie.

Thinking about it, they should have made Peter B Parker be from the MC2 Universe (Earth-982).

 

[The Knappos]

The movie directly states that he's from Earth-616, a fan wiki has him coming from Earth-616B to keep it from conflicting with the comics. I'm fine with considering him the real 616 Spidey and handwave it as something that hasn't happened in the comics yet since he and MJ were split up at the beginning of the first movie.

To be fair, there’s probably 616 Earth-616s now. Each universe probably counts them all differently anyway. 838 certainly counts them differently. The numbering of Earths is pretty meaningless

 

[thribs]

To be fair, there’s probably 616 Earth-616s now. Each universe probably counts them all differently anyway. 838 certainly counts them differently. The numbering of Earths is pretty meaningless

I know but they referred to the MCU as Earth-19999 which is correct designation.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

io9 has published a guide of the many (but not all) Spider-Folk (no Spider-Cat, Spider-Therapist, Spider-Patient, etc.). Among them are some old favorites of mine who I didn't even realized briefly appeared, including Doppelganger, Cyborg Spider-Man, and the Spider-Armor seen in Web of Spider-Man #100.

Oh...and they say Peter B. is from Earth-616.

 

[JD]

They also call Miles' universe Earth 1610, but I don't think it lines up exactly with the comics' Ultimate universe. I think at this point it's best to not really try line all these things exactly, and just go with it.
I saw it this morning, and I absolutely loved it.
The animation was just spectacular, I was a little unsure at first of how all the different styles would work together, but they really did. I liked all of them, but I think my favorite was the Renaisance Da Vinci sketch of the Vulture.
It really felt like a comic come to life, with the split panels, text sound effects, and text boxes.
I loved all of the new characters.
From the trailers, I was a little unsure about what they were doing with Miguel, but was once they explained his motivation, I thought it worked.
The story was really good too, with a lot of good stuff for Miles and Gwen both. I really liked Gwen in the first one, so I liked that she got some much focus here. Honestly, it really felt like her movie as much as Miles. Of the return Spider-People, we probably got the least with Peter, but I did enjoy what we got. The stuff with him and Mayday was fun.
We got some good new characters too, with Hobie being my favorite.
My only real complaints were that a lot of the text boxes were popping up and disappearing so fast that I didn't have time to read most of them, and the volume. I don't know if it was because of all the complaints coming out over the weekend, but when we got to big loud action scenes, or the louder songs, it was almost deafening.
I loved seeing all of the different cameos and Easter Eggs, I was especially surprised by all of the live action footage, and to see so much of the 2D TV series. I'm actually playing the Insomniac game right now, so I got a big kick out of it seeing the Spider-Man from the game pop up. When I was looking through the characters on Wikipedia, it said a Spider-Man wearing one of the game's original alternate suits was also in it, but I missed him.

 

[TimmyWl]

I thought it was great. What was really amazing was Spider-Gwen's world. Everything was watered down colors and neon. There were the poses of the characters in her world. The water exposed colors that went everywhere fit. I did like the mistake that Miles made in slipping into Earth 42 and even by the use of the wrong type of light made the point well known. Everything was breathtaking including the end credits.

 

[thribs]

So it must be like DC where there are two different multiverses. One for the comics and one for the movies/tv shows. That’s a shame since I really thought in this we might get some interaction with THE Spider-Man.
We’ve had many superhero shows and/or movies inspired by their comics but nothing where it’s the same character. Would have been something very unique

 

[The Knappos]

I know but they referred to the MCU as Earth-19999 which is correct designation.

In which universe though?

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Some incredible concept art tweeted by visual development artists Felica Chen and Kat Tsai. More work on Chen's website.

 

[thribs]

In which universe though?

By the Captain Britain Corps. A multidimensional group whose job is to monitor and maintain the multiverse.

 

[JD]

Some incredible concept art tweeted by visual development artists Felica Chen and Kat Tsai. More work on Chen's website.

I really hope we get an Art/Making Of book for this one.

 

[The Knappos]

By the Captain Britain Corps. A multidimensional group whose job is to monitor and maintain the multiverse.

But are they the only ones counting? And that’s what I’m saying, there’s now three distinct universes being designated 616, meaning there’s at least three parties counting. Though why one of them would count themselves as 838, when logically they’d count themselves first, makes no sense.

Peter B Parker isn’t the comics Peter. Neither is Tom Holland. All three are called 616 in various films.

I’m a 30 year reader, so I go with the comics being 616. But this just shows that the numbering is meaningless.

 

[thribs]

Well you have to set the standard somewhere.
That’s my thought on them calling it 616 in Dr Strange. It was their universe numbering.
I’m curious where Miguel got his numbering system from. Using the comics 19999 name makes me think it comes from the captain Britain corps.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

But this just shows that the numbering is meaningless.

And there we have it. That's why I shrug at all of these arguments.

 

[FreezeC77]

They also call Miles' universe Earth 1610, but I don't think it lines up exactly with the comics' Ultimate universe. I think at this point it's best to not really try line all these things exactly, and just go with it.
I saw it this morning, and I absolutely loved it.
The animation was just spectacular, I was a little unsure at first of how all the different styles would work together, but they really did. I liked all of them, but I think my favorite was the Renaisance Da Vinci sketch of the Vulture.
It really felt like a comic come to life, with the split panels, text sound effects, and text boxes.
I loved all of the new characters.
From the trailers, I was a little unsure about what they were doing with Miguel, but was once they explained his motivation, I thought it worked.
The story was really good too, with a lot of good stuff for Miles and Gwen both. I really liked Gwen in the first one, so I liked that she got some much focus here. Honestly, it really felt like her movie as much as Miles. Of the return Spider-People, we probably got the least with Peter, but I did enjoy what we got. The stuff with him and Mayday was fun.
We got some good new characters too, with Hobie being my favorite.
My only real complaints were that a lot of the text boxes were popping up and disappearing so fast that I didn't have time to read most of them, and the volume. I don't know if it was because of all the complaints coming out over the weekend, but when we got to big loud action scenes, or the louder songs, it was almost deafening.
I loved seeing all of the different cameos and Easter Eggs, I was especially surprised by all of the live action footage, and to see so much of the 2D TV series. I'm actually playing the Insomniac game right now, so I got a big kick out of it seeing the Spider-Man from the game pop up. When I was looking through the characters on Wikipedia, it said a Spider-Man wearing one of the game's original alternate suits was also in it, but I missed him.

Yea. I really don't think the '1610' applied to Miles universe reflects the '1610' from the Marvel comics.

I would like to see the universe that the Renaissance vulture is from. Would be really cool to see a Marvel 1602 type series (which was the mini-series written by Neil Gaiman re-imagining Marvel chars in Elizabethan England)

I agree with you on the text bosses... Especially in the spider-verse hq... It will be easier to pause and read when its streaming or or blu-ray.

 

[David cgc]

Movie was great, but I just realized that when I saw both Spider-Verses in theaters, there was a technical glitch. For the first one, there was a problem with the surround sound. I think it was that the center channel was dead, so all the dialog was a little faint since we were just hearing the echoes, but there were a couple scenes where there was no reverb at all and it was just silence and I had to figure out what was going on entirely from the character animation. In this one, the projector was out of alignment so there was a slight vertical ghosting, but luckily, the movie already has faux "registration errors" as part of the art-style, so I pretty much couldn't tell outside of the credits.

 

[thribs]

Sound issues have been common with the movie. To me I had some issues with the picture. Some of it looked blurry to me. Like I was watching a 3D movie without glasses. Might have been just the art style.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I didn't have any issues with the video or audio. Just a shitty audience.

I would like to see the universe that the Renaissance vulture is from. Would be really cool to see a Marvel 1602 type series (which was the mini-series written by Neil Gaiman re-imagining Marvel chars in Elizabethan England)

Yes to both of those! I've been wanting a 1602 film (and so has Neil!) for years now, so I am little bummed out 1602 Spidey didn't show up here. Maybe in Beyond?

And I would love to see more of the Renaissance universe. I'm a huge sucker for things like that.

I agree with you on the text bosses... Especially in the spider-verse hq... It will be easier to pause and read when its streaming or or blu-ray.

I loved the inclusion of the footnotes, one of my favorite aspects of the comic format (especially in the Spider-Man realm), but I agree that they didn't stay on the screen nearly long enough to properly enjoy. The first one during the Guggenheim fight was up for almost long enough but I agree the ones at the Spider-Society HQ went by too fast or were even blurry as the "camera" moved. It's a terrific visual element and Easter egg for the comic readers, but it wasn't implemented quite well enough.

 

[JD]

I really look forward to when this comes out on a streaming service, so I can pause and see how many Spideys I can identify, and actually read all the text boxes.

 

[Awesome Possum]

Yes to both of those! I've been wanting a 1602 film (and so has Neil!) for years now, so I am little bummed out 1602 Spidey didn't show up here. Maybe in Beyond?

Season two of What If is doing a 1602 episode.