Indiana Jones 5. It's official.

[jaime]

I just wish I hadn't been spoiled about his death.

But I perhaps foolishly got in an online discussion about the number of Jedi still extant at the time of the OT and BOOM.

There’s no reason he had to die, he wasn’t in the original count after all anyway, because he was a Padawan during order 66 as I recall. We only heard about it through spoilers, because between that and ‘dark’ Ezra with the shorter hair and paling about with Maul put little one right off. He likes bits of SW now, but mainly YouTube vids about the fictional history and stuff.
People forget that even with Empire and the prequels going a little darker, fundamentally SW was also a family/kids film about good vs evil. Grown ups started wanting more greys in it, and the marketing people got too good at making the baddies likeable/cool and the goodies a bit dull. I also notice ‘English Accent’ became shorthand for ‘Empire’ rather than Coruscanti at some point too. Became a panto, and lost the ‘military industrial complex’ thing that George had going — something TLJ completely messed up whilst at least trying, I suppose. Put some kids off it in the end.
I suppose it was inevitable — the EU had gone that way already by the end too.

Similar problem with Indy — he was invented as ‘B-Movie and thirties serial hero crossed with James Bond’ and then people got precious about things in various directions. Crystal Skull works because it is a mostly *fifties* tribute because Indy aged. This one will be in part *sixties* for the same reason — I still can’t believe people are complaining about the MacGuffin, when it’s exactly the kind of ‘real’ thing in the others. Same people whinged about the psychic stuff in Skull, but that was all bang on point for the time period.

I don’t know which is less fun — the people making a thing getting it wrong, or a vocal number of the fanbase. Probably a perfect storm of both, as with many things.

 

[Starkers]

The best thing about Rogue One is that it gave us Andor. A film designed to fill a plot hole that no one cared about (and wasn't even really a plot hole just Imperial arrogance and a giant superweapon designed by committee) and created some whole new plot holes in the process.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate R1, and after Solo TLJ (to some extent) and TROS it certainly went up in my estimation, but it's a film that didn't really need to exist.

And people who think Fleabag is politically correct really needed to pay more attention.

 

[fireproof78]

Rogue One gave us the U Wing which I appreciate. In my humble estimation it was a film that was way better than it should have been. It certainly told an interesting story even the characters lacked. Andor is nice but again feels unnecessary.

Which I think is the biggest aspect of a lot of current productions. They are fine but completely unnecessary.

 

[Phily B]

Nope

Yup.

Rogue One is a litmus test to tell me if people had a brain. An awful character driven movie with no characters that throws a bunch of nostalgia at you in the last 10 minutes - which is why its the only thing people talk about.

 

[jaime]

The best thing about Rogue One is that it gave us Andor. A film designed to fill a plot hole that no one cared about (and wasn't even really a plot hole just Imperial arrogance and a giant superweapon designed by committee) and created some whole new plot holes in the process.

Don't get me wrong, I don't hate R1, and after Solo TLJ (to some extent) and TROS it certainly went up in my estimation, but it's a film that didn't really need to exist.

And people who think Fleabag is politically correct really needed to pay more attention.

If they can’t be arsed watching the whole series on iPlayer etc, or theatre production on Prime, they can just watch the opening scene and then decide if PWB is particularly PC. It’s not like they have to wait.

 

[Phily B]

Every Star Wars movies makes less than the last one, it happened with the OT and the PT as well. It doesn't mean anything.

TLJ was no more pointless and stupid than ROTJ was, Solo was a flop that's been reevaluated over time.

Indiana Jones got "this treatment" back in 2008 as well, it's nothing new.

Not true. The Phantom Menace was as bad as any of the new movies, but the third one didn't see it making half the money of The Phantom Menace. Now we're talking about a complete halving in box office where they did such an awful job with the story that they've mothballed the movies. Solo was a flop that is still a flop and hasn't been revaluated at all except in the eyes of super fans who eat any kind of slop with "Star Wars" on it.

She is doing the same shit with Indiana Jones. It should never have gone past the third one.

 

[Allyn Gibson]

He better lose an eye in this or I'll be very disappointed.

Do we actually know that Indy lost an eye in the Young Indy framing sequences, or might he be wearing an eyepatch for medical reasons, like a weak or blind eye?

 

[Set Harth]

Rogue One gave us the U Wing which I appreciate. In my humble estimation it was a film that was way better than it should have been. It certainly told an interesting story even the characters lacked. Andor is nice but again feels unnecessary.

Which I think is the biggest aspect of a lot of current productions. They are fine but completely unnecessary.

Technically all fiction is unnecessary.

 

[fireproof78]

Technically all fiction is unnecessary.

These feel exceptionally unnecessary but yes you are correct.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

Yup.

Rogue One is a litmus test to tell me if people had a brain.

Wow.

You must be fun at parties.

Gods forbid people have different tastes from you.

 

[jaime]

Technically all fiction is unnecessary.

These feel exceptionally unnecessary but yes you are correct.

Nope and nope, fiction is utterly and completely necessary, and that’s the reason it’s has been a part of the fabric of human civilisation and society since before we had words to describe such things. If we could not imagine life outside the cave, we would never have left it, to put it in prosaic terms.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Argumentative and subjective. She has overseen LFL in its ups and downs, and that includes successes like The Mandalorian, Rogue One, The Force Awakens and the Last Jedi.

That you refer to TLJ as a "success" when it received anything other than positive support is quite subjective.

Solo was a flop that is still a flop and hasn't been revaluated at all except in the eyes of super fans who eat any kind of slop with "Star Wars" on it.

Indeed. More, more, more rarely, if ever leads to a majority in favor quality content, as seen in a couple of current film franchises.

It should never have gone past the third one.

The existing results stand as weighty evidence for this view.

 

[fireproof78]

Nope and nope, fiction is utterly and completely necessary, and that’s the reason it’s has been a part of the fabric of human civilisation and society since before we had words to describe such things. If we could not imagine life outside the cave, we would never have left it, to put it in prosaic terms.

So the only reason people left the cave is because people told stories of far off worlds?

Stories about adventures of other people I know in real life sure. But a necessity? I find that a stretch, at best. Humans make things out to be much more important than they actually are.

Wow.

You must be fun at parties.

Gods forbid people have different tastes from you.

That people find the need to insult others for different tastes and question their cognitive capacities is part of why I find fiction unnecessary.

 

[jaime]

So the only reason people left the cave is because people told stories of far off worlds?

Stories about adventures of other people I know in real life sure. But a necessity? I find that a stretch, at best. Humans make things out to be much more important than they actually are.

That people find the need to insult others for different tastes and question their cognitive capacities is part of why I find fiction unnecessary.

I did say it was prosaic, and it is a metaphor, but in essence, yes.

If it wasn’t a necessity, can you explain why stories have been with us since the beginning of civilisation, perhaps even longer?

I would also highly recommend The Hogfather, if you want to understand why.

 

[fireproof78]

If it wasn’t a necessity, can you explain why stories have been with us since the beginning of civilisation, perhaps even longer?

Really, a necessity must exist? Drug use, addiction, and violence have been with us since then too. Also a necessity?

Because I doubt that if I go without a story in my day to day life I will die, vs. actual necessities like air, food, water, shelter, and safety, and social connections.

The older I get the more and more I realize that what is defined as "necessity" is anything but in this first world of ours.

ETA: And to be perfectly clear I am not saying these things are not important to humanity as whole only that I don't put them on the same level of "This will kill me without it" type necessity.

I would also highly recommend The Hogfather, if you want to understand why.

When time allows I will consider it.

 

[Commander Troi]

Oh, and Marion called him out on being a womanizer who took advantage of younger people. Namely her. Indy just brushed it off, despite the fact that Lucas pictured it as him in his 20s going after her when she was 14 or so.

14? Seriously? Ewwww.

Rogue One is a litmus test to tell me if people had a brain. An awful character driven movie with no characters that throws a bunch of nostalgia at you in the last 10 minutes - which is why its the only thing people talk about.

So lovely to know I don't have a brain! And here I wasted all these years trying to learn things with something I don't have!

FWIW, I find the last bit the worst part of R1.

 

[Anwar]

Not true. The Phantom Menace was as bad as any of the new movies, but the third one didn't see it making half the money of The Phantom Menace.

ROTS did make less than Phantom Menace though. Just like ESB and ROTJ made less than ANH.

Now we're talking about a complete halving in box office where they did such an awful job with the story that they've mothballed the movies.

They haven't, they're just taking a longer time to think of what the next movies will be about. This happens.

Solo was a flop that is still a flop and hasn't been revaluated at all except in the eyes of super fans who eat any kind of slop with "Star Wars" on it.

It has, folks go back to watch it now and are wondering "Why did people hate this so much? What's wrong with it?"

She is doing the same shit with Indiana Jones. It should never have gone past the third one.

Then blame Lucas for Crystal Skull, he was the one who revived Jones before Kennedy did.

 

[Supervisor 194]

I must be a total weirdo: I think Rogue One and Solo, in that order, are the very best movies of the new cycle of Star Wars movies.

 

[fireproof78]

So lovely to know I don't have a brain! And here I wasted all these years trying to learn things with something I don't have!

FWIW, I find the last bit the worst part of R1.

Same! Nice to nit have to worry about trying to have a brain when I clearly don't.

Also, the final scenes of Rogue One are atrocious.

 

[The Nth Doctor]

I must be a total weirdo: I think Rogue One and Solo, in that order, are the very best movies of the new cycle of Star Wars movies.

Not as weird as me: I love Rogue One more than The Empire Strikes Back. I also love both The Last Jedi and Solo.