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I have a few machines around, one for gaming which runs Windows and a few "everything else machines" I also practise the art of backing up a lot so when one of my machines stops working I just disconnect it, connect a backup machine and I can pretty much go on with what I was doing.
But yes, for most people a multitude of machines might be too expensive, however you can pick up rather capable ex office rigs from refurb shops or ebay for a low price.
My gaming machine is near the end of its useful lifespan, end of this year or the beginning of next year I will build a new one with current tech.
 
Nah, I got away from that for a reason. I don't like running multiple OSes on a single system. Some people are just fine with multi-booting but, again, it shouldn't be necessary just to play a game in the hopes that a kernel level system isn't being used to leak data elsewhere and, again, for something that doesn't even really work.
Then there are certain games that I will just refuse to play because they insist on installing Anti-cheat that is so deep that they are kernal level effectively.

Sorry, certain games aren't worth it, you know which ones I'm talking about.
 
Why is MS fine with Easy Anti Cheat having kernel level access to the system, any system? That's a huge security hole for windows, they should be using their muscle to put a stop to that
 
Why is MS fine with Easy Anti Cheat having kernel level access to the system, any system? That's a huge security hole for windows, they should be using their muscle to put a stop to that
In fairness, Windows is a security hole. I'm on Linux for a reason. :lol:
 
Also true... But the majority of users run Windows or some variation of it.
True. Honestly? I think Microsoft's lazy. They have the lion's share of the market, where else are people going to go?

Apple? Walled garden. Luxury brand. Pricey.
A Linux distro? HAXXOR! NEEEEEEERDS!

Most people likely don't even know what the kernel is or what it does. While I'm sure there are plenty of people who work at Microsoft who care very much about user security, Microsoft is like most corporations that only care once a problem shows up. Otherwise, it doesn't exist because they're not losing money from it.
 
True. Honestly? I think Microsoft's lazy. They have the lion's share of the market, where else are people going to go?

Apple? Walled garden. Luxury brand. Pricey.
A Linux distro? HAXXOR! NEEEEEEERDS!

Most people likely don't even know what the kernel is or what it does. While I'm sure there are plenty of people who work at Microsoft who care very much about user security, Microsoft is like most corporations that only care once a problem shows up. Otherwise, it doesn't exist because they're not losing money from it.

That's a fair point.

I love your comment on Linux but it really isn't that bad. No haxor needed
 
I need to do far more haxxoring with Windows than with Linux.. Really, still using Mint and it is so very easy and effortless to configure and use, full install from scratch including setting up mail and browser etc to the exact way I want them to work only takes an hour or so and that includes copying all the data I have..
 
That's a fair point.

I love your comment on Linux but it really isn't that bad. No haxor needed
Indeed. I usually shepherd interested people towards Linux Mint. Looks like Windows, easy as pie to use. You never have to open a terminal window.

I need to do far more haxxoring with Windows than with Linux.. Really, still using Mint and it is so very easy and effortless to configure and use, full install from scratch including setting up mail and browser etc to the exact way I want them to work only takes an hour or so and that includes copying all the data I have..
Exactly. Mint is a set it and forget it distro. The Mint team are dedicated to privacy and ease of use.
 
Always a tad inconvenient when a mainboard has been made in several revised designs.. got a machine with an old Gigabyte AM2(+) board and it's been made in a 1.0, 1.1 and 2.0 version, so I actually had to open the casing to find out which revision it was. (1.1)
Rather iffy when you want to update your BIOS, you really need to make sure you've got the one for the right revision, Gigabyte is quite fond of revising mainboards this way so it seems..
 
A couple of months ago, my previous home built trashed my primary SSD drive, after dispatching its predecessor last year. So, I trashed it. Here's the new one:
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Motherboard: ASUS TUF Gaming 7690-Plus with WiFi D4
Processor: Intel 12th Gen i9 12900K
Graphics: ASUS Dual GeForce RTX 2060 EVO
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 4x16GB (64GB total)
Storage: Samsung SSD M.2 980 PRO w/heatsink, 2TB
WD Blue 2TB
WD Blue 1TB
Case: Cooler Master HAF XB EVO
Power Supply: Vetroo 1000W
OS: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro

I would have really loved to go crazy, but wasn't in the budget.
 
A couple of months ago, my previous home built trashed my primary SSD drive, after dispatching its predecessor last year. So, I trashed it. Here's the new one:
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Motherboard: ASUS TUF Gaming 7690-Plus with WiFi D4
Processor: Intel 12th Gen i9 12900K
Graphics: ASUS Dual GeForce RTX 2060 EVO
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 4x16GB (64GB total)
Storage: Samsung SSD M.2 980 PRO w/heatsink, 2TB
WD Blue 2TB
WD Blue 1TB
Case: Cooler Master HAF XB EVO
Power Supply: Vetroo 1000W
OS: Microsoft Windows 11 Pro

I would have really loved to go crazy, but wasn't in the budget.


OMG that's my case only I ditched the top and side panels, and have two optical drives in the left side bays. Yours is slightly different mine has two sockets for microphone an headphone and two usb 3 ports on the front. It's a heavy case to move around with a computer inside it. Mind you I did have that other weird case from Thermaltake for a year the Level 10 GT that one is a monster even in the regular version of it.
 
You still have optical drives?

Apart from installation disks, it's a waste of a bay, where you could plug in another hard drive. Of course this thinking is from ten years ago when IDE hard drives didn't get any bigger than 320 gb, so it took me 4 hard drives to reach almost half a tb of storage.
 
I've authored a few DVD of a couple of courses a psychologist conducted. I will also watch Blu-Ray movies since my wife works 3rd shift and sleeps in the afternoon/evening. Yes, I still buy physical copies of movies as you never know when they will be pulled from the various streaming services.

The motherboard supports four M.2 drives with the case having two 5-1/2", two 3-1/2", and two 2-1/2" bays.

But then, my first hard drive was a 10MB external drive with parallel ribbon cables to a card in the computer.
 
The motherboard supports four M.2 drives with the case having two 5-1/2", two 3-1/2", and two 2-1/2" bays.

And some in the Youtube world curse the number of M.2 slots modern boards are coming with along with the dearth of PCIe slots because there aren't enough PCIe lanes.

Sure x8 PCIe 5 has the same bandwith as x16 PCIe 4 (each iteration has pretty much doubled the bandwith of the previous version) but there's still a lack of devices that benefit.

There was a Jayztwocents video a little while back where he was comparing modern boards ones from all those years ago which had lots of PCIe slots and Jeff from Craft Computing would have loved to put a new Intel Core processor and motherboard into his office computer but not enough dam slots n lanes.
 
And some in the Youtube world curse the number of M.2 slots modern boards are coming with along with the dearth of PCIe slots because there aren't enough PCIe lanes.

Sure x8 PCIe 5 has the same bandwith as x16 PCIe 4 (each iteration has pretty much doubled the bandwith of the previous version) but there's still a lack of devices that benefit.

There was a Jayztwocents video a little while back where he was comparing modern boards ones from all those years ago which had lots of PCIe slots and Jeff from Craft Computing would have loved to put a new Intel Core processor and motherboard into his office computer but not enough dam slots n lanes.
Decades ago, I had a full-sized tower with a million slots, all of them filled. It wasn't until Windows 95 and Plug 'N' Play that I was finally able to get everything to work. Back when you had a full-length modem card, full-length fax card, hard drive card...

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I HATE the trend of M.2 slots and the M.2 connector.
Nothing wrong with PCIe Bus or NVMe protocol.
But the god damn tiny fiddly M.2 connector.

M.2 was only designed for the space constrained LapTop world.

That M.2 was only designed for 60x Insertion Cycles.
Compared to the Traditional SATA/SAS/U.2/U.3 connector that we all know & love was designed for 10,000 Insertion Cycles.

If I wanted a M.2 drive, I'd use a adapter to a PCIe slot.

We need to Re-Purpose the old 1.8" HDD Form Factor Standard as the new dedicated SSD Drive Form Factor.
I did the Geometry, 1x Standard Bicycle Poker Card Deck Box holding the standard set of Poker cards can fit 5x 1.8" SSD's with extra room for individual Polymer Protector Shells over each 1.8" SSD Drive.

My Ideal MoBo would be full of PCIe Slots and ZERO RGB Superficial Aesthetical BS.
It'll have a Full Aluminium BackPlate with a GIANT Thermal Pad covering the entire MoBo Backside for Extra Heat Dissipation.

The Rear I/O Panel would have these connectors:
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S/PDIF Electrical Using RCA Port & Optical (User Determinable In/Out settings)
User Provides their own External DAC or MoBo Maker provides one.
PS/2 port supports both KB & Mouse via Splitter.

My Proposed USB Nano-A port with Square Reversible plugs that can be inserted in any direction, effectively direction agnostic.
There are 20x of those for devices that only need 60 MiBps Full Duplex connection that is a true 480 Mbps ~= 60 MiBps, unlike what reality has given us due to numberous overhead issues that lowers actual effective throughput on USB 2.0.

Display-Port of the latest spec
HDMI of the latest spec

6x USB 4.0 Type-C ports of the upcoming 80 Gbps flavor
15x USB 4.0 Type-A SuperSpeed ports (I'll find a way to amend the USB 4 to allow single-lane SuperSpeed, it's asinine that they don't allow it).
4x USB 2.0 that can handle up to 8,000 Hz polling (The maximum that USB Spec allows).

1x 10 Gbps Ethernet port.

On the MoBo PCIe Port layout, the PCIe x16 port would be moved to the bottom of the MoBo to prevent obstruction of the other ports thanks to the ever increasing desire for "LARGE Video Cards".

It's getting stupid that everybody needs to use a PCIe x16 riser card that is expensive to make & sell. Go ahead, look up the prices on PCIe 4.0 x16 riser cards. They're getting close to $100 retail.
At that point, just trust the MoBo makers to maintain signal integrity and move the port to the bottom of the MoBo.
Any extra PCIe ports can be left un-obstructed.
Any MoBo Headers & Front Panel Headers will need Right-Angle Ports instead of straight up insertion.
PC Case headers will need Right-Angle Adapters or built in Front Panel Ports with Right-Angle plugs.

And the rest of the Storage Connectors for your Storage Drives should be U.3
No Exceptions.
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I concur with Steve Burke from Gamers Nexus that E-ATX & XL-ATX are BS marketing terms that should be abolished from future use.
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The relevant MoBo Form Factors that anybody should care about:
Mini-ITX = 1x PCIe Expansion Card Slot
Mini-DTX = 2x PCIe Expansion Card Slots
FlexATX = 3x PCIe Expansion Card Slots <- This really needs to be brought back for modern SFF PCs
microATX AKA 'µATX' AKA 'uATX' = 4x PCIe Expansion Card Slots
ATX (Advanced Technologies eXtended) = 7x PCIe Expansion Card Slots
SSI's other standardized MoBo Form Factors which derives off ATX:
SSI-CEB (Compact Electronics Bay) = 7x PCIe Expansion Card Slots
SSI-EEB (Enterprise Electronics Bay) = 7x PCIe Expansion Card Slots
SSI-MEB (Midrange Electronics Bay) = 12x PCIe Expansion Card Slots (7x Slots Below CPU, 5x Slots Above)
SSI-TEB (Thin Electronics Bay) = 7x PCIe Expansion Card Slots (Same as SSI-EEB, but uses Riser Card due to optimization for 1U/2U racks)
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Just replace the "Turbo U.2" label with "U.3 Port"
Standard ATX is good enough to have 7x U.3 Ports

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There's enough room for 12x U.3 Ports (Ignore my crappy Photo Editing Skills)
I did the geometry, trust me, there's enough room for 12x U.3 Ports once you shove over the ATX 24-Pin Power Plug by a few mm.

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With U.3 you can adapt to 4x Port SATA, 4x Port SAS, or NVMe 4x Lane PCIe port; all from the same port.
Just buy the right adapter cable.
A FAR more flexible setup than being forced into one Storage Drive connector interface/bus.
 
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