Sorry I know this makes me a minority but I can't stand her, I want to throw things at the screen whenever she is on it.
Thats it. I dont consider Disc , SNW , or Picard cannon
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Sorry I know this makes me a minority but I can't stand her, I want to throw things at the screen whenever she is on it.
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Screaming was a Russian inwention.
On the subject of dialogue, I love that the folks on the new shows actually talk like normal people, and not in some sort of formal elevated diction. From where I sit, that's a welcome return to the kind of colorful colloquial dialogue we got from the TOS crew, back in the day.
"In a pig's eye!"
"I'll bet you credits to navy beans . . . ."
"Aye, and if my mother had wheels she'd be a wagon."
"Let's get the hell out of here."
"Hell of a time to ask."
Etc.
Spock uses very precise and formal diction because he's Spock. But not every character on STAR TREK needs to talk like a Vulcan.
"In a pig's eye!"
"I'll bet you credits to navy beans . . . ."
"Aye, and if my mother had wheels she'd be a wagon."
"Let's get the hell out of here."
"Hell of a time to ask."
Etc.
Spock uses very precise and formal diction because he's Spock. But not every character on STAR TREK needs to talk like a Vulcan.
Spock's reaction when McCoy says tribbles and soft, warm and make a pleasant sound is one of my favorite TOS comebacks.
"So would an Ermine violin, Doctor, but I have no desire to own one."
"So would an Ermine violin, Doctor, but I have no desire to own one."
Bingo.
As I like to put it: Threading the needle between "Hey, this isn't like the old stuff!" and "Hey, this is just the same old stuff!" is trickier than it looks.
And you're never going to satisfy everyone -- because different folks are going lean more toward one of side of the equation than others, and also have very different ideas about which elements of STAR TREK are essential and which are more flexible.
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My favorite comment from a "fan" about Star Trek: Discovery: I loved Voyager, but I don't want a show with a female captain!
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You know, that's one of the things that I don't like about Berman era Trek, the stilted unnatural dialogue, but giving credit where credit is due, I actually thought they improved that IMMENSELY in Picard Season 3. I felt like the TNG crew were speaking like real people instead of the cardboard cutouts they were in the series.
The natural sounding dialogue in Picard is one of the things the "true fans" have a meltdown over, as we've seen in this thread by Parrot hammering on that one point
Yeah, well, not everybody has taste
I absolutely love (/s) how colloquial and everyday language is brought up as evidence of the current writers not understanding Star Trek, as though leaving it behind is what best proves that it's the future and an utopian one. It's kind of funny how different the writers' idea of utopia is from the things a certain loud part of the fanbase holds up as hallmarks of an optimistic future.
Bad things left behind by an utopian humanity according to Star Trek writers:
Bad things left behind by an utopian humanity according to Star Trek writers:
- Poverty
- War
- Pandemics
- Bigotry
- Prejudice
- Greed
- Capitalism
- Factionalism
- Ruining the environment
- People swearing or speaking colloquially
- People having any vices
- People having any negative emotions or emotional problems
- People enjoying or showing any familiarity with any piece of popular culture made after 1955
- Women considering their own wants and needs before men's feelings
- Women not conforming to Hollywood beauty standards
- Openly LGBTQ+ people
- Minorities having any identity other than generic "human"
See, you were willing to go there. I've been thinking in the back of my mind that the same people upset the most about those things are also likely the ones who scream about everything being "woke" and "PC" and such in other forums (or even this one).
But yes, its clear there are just some things that people are *really* uncomfortable seeing in their evolved future
But yes, its clear there are just some things that people are *really* uncomfortable seeing in their evolved future
I have no issue with casual or colloquial dialogue in the abstract; it's when popular 2023 turns-of-phrase are employed that I'm transported back from the future and right onto a soundstage in Toronto. Thankfully, this quality only mildly seasons most recent Trek shows, IMO, but it's one of the many reasons I can never really "get into" Lower Decks which pours it on with a ladle. When I'm taken away to space in the future, I don't want to feel like I've just walked 40 feet down the hallway in my office.
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