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SNW is chock full of them (Enterprise! Pike! Kirk! Spock! Uhura! The Gorn! Smokin' hot Number One!)
One of my favorite Parts about Legacy is it mixes up some of th eclassic TOS crew with a few "the Cage" characters and a few great new characters. It does "familiar, but different", very very well.

Pike, the People's Captain, is an excellent character. They took a blank canvas and made him distinctive vs Kirk, Picard and Archer (the other Enterprise pre-Picard S3 Enterprise captains).
 
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It’s safe to assume that Starfleet made more than 13 Constitutions both in original and Constitution II class.
Anecdotal of course

Memory Alpha lists 17 named Constitution-class ships, including both Enterprises. There are a further 12 ships with confirmed names and/or registry numbers from displays etc that might be Connies but we don't know for sure. And there are potentially 5 unidentified Connies which might be some combination of the existing ones we know about that just weren't confirmed during those particular appearances. So we know of definitely 17, and there's potentially up to 34 from on-screen evidence alone.

Yeah but the Enterprise-E would've been over 30 years old at that point, and has seen quite a bit of action, from First Contact to Nemesis and Prodigy. So at least a case could be made for its retirement.

She'd have been 29 (commissioned in 2372, PIC S3 takes place in 2401). For comparison's sake the original 1701 achieved this milestone some time between The Motion Picture and The Wrath of Khan, and as a real-world example the USS Enterprise CVN-65 was on active service with the US Navy for almost 51 years.
 
She'd have been 29 (commissioned in 2372, PIC S3 takes place in 2401). For comparison's sake the original 1701 achieved this milestone some time between The Motion Picture and The Wrath of Khan, and as a real-world example the USS Enterprise CVN-65 was on active service with the US Navy for almost 51 years.
As I wrote earlier, The Enterprise-E was undeniably an very early Sovereign, because Sovereigns were the advanced ship in the fleet in 2373. And given with how many Soverigns we've seen in Lower Decks and Picard, the class was highly successful. They built a lot of them. It's very likely any or many of those was built before 2371.

Which means a relatively short lifetime of the Enterprise E, ending by 2386, is perfectly explicable.It could have been something as simple as it was a early Sovereign that got a big upgrade post-Insurrection, and then again post-Nemesis, but was internally dated compared to later-build Soverigns, and by 2386, the newer "Flight II" Sovereigns diverged so much from the "Flight Is" that it made more sense to retire the original ones and use them for spares, rather than keep upgrading them and crewing them. The Air Force has done this with fighters and the Navy with ships many times. The 22 "Flight II" Ticonderoga-class cruiser, for example will see their ships retire with serivce lives of 28-33 years, by the end of the decade. However the 5 "Flight Is" were all retired in the mid 2000s because they were so different from the Flight IIs internally, it didn't make sense to keep them around.

People always trout out the whole "post scarcity" argument about ship construction, but we know from visual evidence that it still takes significant manhours to build and maintain them, and even an organization as vast a Starfleet does have a finite number of personnel, and it may have been a wiser allocation of sentient-resources to to put them on a new Sovereign or split the 855 up into two smaller crewers, than it was to repair/upgrade a Flight I Sovereign that had been sustained major damage once already, in 2379.

Frankly if you consider the post-Nemesis damage the ship too, it is probably only because they are a few years out of the Dominion War and still rebuilding from losses, they even bothered to repair the Enterprise E. The US Navy, for example, repairs attack subs that periodically smash into undersea mountains, wrecking their bows, despite the enormous cost, because it needs every submarine it can get. But if that happens to one of the older ship in coming years with the planned expansion leading to new ships, it's more likely they'll just retire it and use it for parts to support the ships of that class still in service. The Enterprise E, under that logic, could very well not exist anymore because no matter what Worf did to it, it eventually got raided for spares.

All of this is head canon and theorizing of course, using real world examples, but it's all perfectly reasonable. Same with the short lifetime of the Enterprise-F, if the ships of the 2400 era utilize an entirely different technological foundation and parts configuration (former, unknown, latter is visually true... the Enterprise-F is clearly unique externally). It may make more sense for Starfleet to spread the 1600 man crew of the Enterprise-F to three newer ships of a modular design that have 500 person crews and can be supported easier, than it was to repair/upgrade a limited run design that is very resource and manpower intensive.
 
Memory Alpha lists 17 named Constitution-class ships
Quite a few of those 17 ships listed in the certain category have their class determined by the Operation Retrieve chart, which is in a deleted scene. That makes them the opposite of certain. But Memory Alpha gonna Memory Alpha.
 
Quite a few of those 17 ships listed in the certain category have their class determined by the Operation Retrieve chart, which is in a deleted scene. That makes them the opposite of certain. But Memory Alpha gonna Memory Alpha.

It was only missing for the theatrical version though was it not? I would have to check my DVD and Blue Ray versions, but I know that my VHS version has the scene included.
 
It was only missing for the theatrical version though was it not? I would have to check my DVD and Blue Ray versions, but I know that my VHS version has the scene included.
It was out, then in, then out again. Now for the 2022 UHD Director's Cut, it's in again. No telling what the definitive version is; the release has both theatrical and director's cuts [https://trekmovie.com/2022/09/06/re...ray-beautifully-upgrade-the-final-tos-movies/]. I guess you could argue it's canon. But canon and in-universe continuity are two different things.

Can you infer class from a stylized silhouette icon in a chart? Issues of the scene being a deleted scene notwithstanding, I still wouldn't call that certain. I would call it a canon name and probable class designation, which is distinct from "certain." But that's me.
 
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It was out, then in, then out again. Now for the 2022 UHD Director's Cut, it's in again. No telling what the definitive version is; the release has both theatrical and director's cuts [https://trekmovie.com/2022/09/06/re...ray-beautifully-upgrade-the-final-tos-movies/]. I guess you could argue it's canon. But canon and in-universe continuity are two different things.

Can you infer class from a stylized silhouette icon in a chart? Issues of the scene being a deleted scene notwithstanding, I still wouldn't call that certain. I would call it a canon name and probable class designation, which is distinct from "certain." But that's me.

One can see several Constitution class ships depicted, but the names and registries cannot be read, the only Federation assets where the text can be read is starbase 24.

Personally, I consider any prop used on screen to be canon, hence I also consider the full biography of Hoshi and Archer to be canon, even if only a part if it was read. Of course that brings up the issue of pranks but that is a whole new discussion.
 
I'm comfortable with the U.S.S. Eagle being a Connie with NCC-956 on her hull but if she isn't that's also cool. We spent decades thinking the Farragut was a Connie until SNW's season finale showed us otherwise.
I remember creating new ships classes for any ship numbered under 1700 for a thing I was doing. Eagle was Cherokee class, IIRC. :lol:
 
One can see several Constitution class ships depicted
Unless I'm quite mistaken, I don't believe the classes of the ships are written down, and the ship classes can be inferred only from the silhouette icons representing each ship in the Operation Retrieve charts.
 
SNW is chock full of them (Enterprise! Pike! Kirk! Spock! Uhura! The Gorn! Smokin' hot Number One!)
Yeah, that's the crutch it stands on. And that's why it won't age well.

It's Star Trek: The Force Awakens

Everybody likes it at first because it's new and hitting you with nostalgia, but once the newness wears off, people will get bored of it.

It will be interesting to see how Picard holds up over time. Are we being fooled by nostalgia? Or is it actually good? Maybe a little of both.
 
Oh, sh!t! Just watched E10. Soooooo enjoyed it. The best parts: (1) Worf falling asleep and snoring after the final battle, (2) Q!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That makes up for Nemesis in so many ways. Thank you, Terry!
The funny thing is that if you edit out the snoring, it looks like he died on that chair. :)
 
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