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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

To be fair, the Picard 1701-D bridge set was not as brightly or as flatly lit as compared to how the original set was lit in later TNG seasons.
Which was a shame. I'm six seasons into my TNG rewatch right now, and I'm always struck by how fantastic the lighting is at this point. Made Picard look washed out by comparison.
 
I'm not a hater, I'm not. People like things. As I've said (and will again) I love it when people like stuff. Even stuff I don't like! I would probably just accept it as 10 episodes of TV that kept me mostly entertained (WORF! WORF! WORF!) but I'm hearing this hailed as "Star Trek finally done right". Or "This makes up for the last two seasons." Or even "This is the apology for Nemesis." Have you lost your Vulcan mind?

The D was lovely. She was underappreciated even back in the day. Frakes and Sertis were marvelous (except when poor Will's dummy card came up.) I cannot gush about Worf enough. (I wanted him to mention Jadzia SO much. Just say her name? Pleeeeeease?) I may have discovered that there is such a thing as too much Goldsmith. (I know!) But the music was wonderful anyway.

Picard has taught me an interesting lesson. I don't love spaceships. I don't love cool sets and brilliant futuristic design. (I mean, I DO.)

I love Starfleet. I love the people that are in it and work in it and make it go. I love smart people doing their jobs to do really cool things. I might have problems with Disco but it does that. I have no problems with SNW and it does that like crazy (even if it's not as formal as TOS or even TNG were).

Picard was a mess in this department. I am amazed that I enjoyed it as much as I did. And I did. But not as good Star Trek. It was a vehicle to bring back actors we liked and let them do... Stuff.

I wanted to like Shaw so much. I wanted him to be the new Jellico. But he never acted like he could get a crew to go to 7-11 for smokes. When he showed up in Ten Forward the crew acted like "Does anyone know who this guy is?" And at the end we're supposed to love him because he was smart enough to not hate 7 of 9?

You can't make a major underpinning of the show "love of family and our connections and the loss they can bring" and then write off Will and Deanna's REMAINING KID. Is she hanging out with Chuck Cunningham?

Why are we shocked that Elizabeth Shelby would make the entire fleet ready made for the Borg? Because she wouldn't! Even TV writers could see it was a single point of failure, let alone the finest strategic minds in the Federation.

It was a big ask to believe that James Kirk and his Merry Band could walk off with a whole starship. Now Geordi LaForge has his own Matchbox collection that apparently nobody visits or knows about?

This was 10 episodes of a bunch of TV stuff. Two months to Strange New Worlds!
I love Starfleet too. I gotta disagree with you about Picard though. While we may not have seen Shaw be an impressive Captain (who knows what he was like without Picard and Riker around), I felt the crew of the Titan were as Starfleet as you could get and I liked what I saw of them (and would be happy to see more).

I was a bit miffed too that Kestra was mentioned once (in prison on the Shrike) and then never again. She's obviously driving the Changling!Riker nuts on Nepenthe. :lol:

I could see Shelby being arrogant enough to think Starfleet could do the connected ships thing without any issues, but more likely I think she was just there for the Big Day Speech and other (arrogant) Fed mucketymucks decided to connect the fleet.

Geordi doesn't have a matchbox collection, just one '69 GTO he's restoring. :D

I don't think this was "a bunch of TV stuff." It was IMO a loving sendoff for a crew many of us grew up with in a way that only could be done in Star Trek. (Even the missteps were very ST missteps. Borg Queen invites Picard in just to screw with him? Very Trek IMO.)

(The Lights of Zetar was the first episode aired while I was alive?!? Ewwwww!)
It appears that A Private Little War was the first episode to air after my birth.

I miss my PT Cruiser.
::snickers:: You actually *bought* one of those? :guffaw:

During TOS, when Gene Roddenberry was first creating it, they were making it up as they went along. TMP was after all of TOS had been made, there was a decade to reflect on it, and Star Trek had an actual budget. Early-TNG is where Gene Roddenberry let his idea of what Star Trek should be get in the way of the actual execution of it. Which is why I think TNG became better after he wasn't as involved.
Very well said!

I enjoyed this season. It did what it was intended to do and I had fun while watching it. Does it hold up to deep scrutiny? Not so much, but neither do a lot of shows I enjoy. Back when John Scalzi was working on Stargate: Universe, he said at Con that his job was to make sure you weren't taken out of the story while you watched it. If you had trouble with things afterwards, that was okay, as long as you enjoyed the ride while you were on it. And I enjoyed the hell out of this ride.
 
I was a bit miffed too that Kestra was mentioned once (in prison on the Shrike) and then never again. She's obviously driving the Changling!Riker nuts on Nepenthe. :lol:

I was annoyed about this too the other day, but someone on Twitter pointed out (with screenshots) that she got mentioned a few other times through the season. I totally blanked on the others lol. Riker brings her up to Picard in the first episode. He tells Jack he has a wife and a daughter in another episode. When Riker was kidnapped, Jack says Riker has a wife and a daughter as a reason why he should trade himself to Vadic for Riker. Also not really directly, but Deanna says she tried to help Riker numb the pain because his grief was making him "disappear from us", obviously meaning her and Kestra. Plus obviously when they talk about her on the Shrike.

It was way more than I thought cause I definitely only was remembering the Shrike conversation and was thinking it was weird how they just weren't mentioning her much.
 
I was annoyed about this too the other day, but someone on Twitter pointed out (with screenshots) that she got mentioned a few other times through the season. I totally blanked on the others lol. Riker brings her up to Picard in the first episode. He tells Jack he has a wife and a daughter in another episode. When Riker was kidnapped, Jack says Riker has a wife and a daughter as a reason why he should trade himself to Vadic for Riker. Also not really directly, but Deanna says she tried to help Riker numb the pain because his grief was making him "disappear from us", obviously meaning her and Kestra. Plus obviously when they talk about her on the Shrike.

It was way more than I thought cause I definitely only was remembering the Shrike conversation and was thinking it was weird how they just weren't mentioning her much.
Thank you! I obviously blanked on those too.

Can I just mention how much I loved the maniacal look on Data's face as he zipped the D through the Deat... Borg Cube? And Riker staying with the wounded Worf? And Tuvok rejecting Seven's resignation?

Yeah, I love the ships and the action and the optimism and the world... but in the end, I watch for the characters.
 
Seems like once they changed the Titan-A to the Enterprise-G, the interior color scheme was repainted to copper. "Let's ignore what the F did because it was a Fail, and go back to something along the lines of the D and E style!"

I had missed the Color shift until you mentioned it. Although, I am not sure if they actually repainted the bridge set. Everything is more warmer, so they may have just color graded it in post.
 
Why are we shocked that Elizabeth Shelby would make the entire fleet ready made for the Borg? Because she wouldn't! Even TV writers could see it was a single point of failure, let alone the finest strategic minds in the Federation.
They really should have brought Admiral Clancy back as the one who endorsed the fleet network link thing. Then when we see her get shot by an assimilated twenty year old, Picard could comment "Now that's sheer fucking hubris."
 
A couple minor things that are bugging me. Nothing I'll lose sleep over.

1- Riker & Troi didn't mention Kestra once. Not while they were in Changeling jail and Troi said they cam to their home. Not at the end when they were talking about family. Not a single quick line mentioning their actual daughter.

2- Shouldn't the Borg control have stopped as soon as the beacon was 'sploded? Or when Jack disconnected himself? But for drama, they waited until the Queen was 'sploded for the effects to be reversed.
 
1- Riker & Troi didn't mention Kestra once. Not while they were in Changeling jail and Troi said they cam to their home. Not at the end when they were talking about family. Not a single quick line mentioning their actual daughter.
Terry said there was a line cut from the episode about her being at Starfleet Acadamy. It apparently didn't feel natural or something.
 
I think I've said elsewhere, Kestra is the Chuck Cunningham of Star Trek.

Everyone going on about families and children and the Riker's don't mention their kid once. It was right up there with Kirk saying with a straight face "I lost a brother once. I'm glad I got him back." Poor Sam!
 
I'm pretty sure she gets mentioned once in the Shrike's holding cell. Will or Deanna mention that if anything happens to them Kestra will have "lost everything." Implying first her brother Thad passing away and then losing both her parents. That stuck out to me seeing how she wasn't mentioned elsewhere in any other episode this season.
 
A couple minor things that are bugging me. Nothing I'll lose sleep over.

1- Riker & Troi didn't mention Kestra once. Not while they were in Changeling jail and Troi said they cam to their home. Not at the end when they were talking about family. Not a single quick line mentioning their actual daughter.

I'm pretty sure she gets mentioned once in the Shrike's holding cell. Will or Deanna mention that if anything happens to them Kestra will have "lost everything." Implying first her brother Thad passing away and then losing both her parents. That stuck out to me seeing how she wasn't mentioned elsewhere in any other episode this season.

https://twitter.com/Whatever3459/status/1649916299701547008

It's like four times, five if you count the time Deanna is obviously referring to her but doesn't say her name or my daughter. The person that posted the tweet even went back and got screenshots since people kept saying they never mentioned her.
 
Yeah, I think her not getting mentioned in the last two stood out so much that people just forgot they mentioned her, either by name or as their daughter, several times in the beginning lol.
 
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