Nah, I enjoyed all 3 seasons. The ship was sailing along just fine IMO.
Spoilers Did Picard finally ''right the ship'' with Picard season 3?
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I feel this is a thing that a lot of fan's don't do.
A story's primary duty is to be a good story. A part of that is being consistent within itself. But fitting into 60 years worth of continuity is a chore and is limiting. But if I care about continuity, I like to find solutions to apparent errors. It is fun! It's a balance, of course, but I don't want to get upset about minor details that are not adhered to, or, if the story's good enough, major details. "Fixing" these "errors" is like good exercise for the brain.
I think a lot of the rage and anger people express over so called plot contrivances, plot holes, etc is just insecurity making up for lack of attention, imagination or simply not having the desire to think too much
I think it's fun. But I come by it naturally. I grew up watching TOS with limited information outside of what the information happened after the adventure happened. I also watched MASH. Did you know that Hawkeye had a sister and a mom? Except later on he is an only child, and his mother died when he was young. In this environment that would ruin an entire show because of "discontinuity."
At some point in time, I think about 10 years ago, I gave up on the discontinuity game. For me, it took the fun right out of it. It made people crazy, hateful and angry. I decided I didn't want to be angry any more on that part.
I used to be pretty bad about it, and probably still am sometimes (I'm working on it.) But, it's just so exhausting. I remember a few years ago, after one of the new Star Wars movies came out, the director said that Nien Nunb dies off-screen in a battle. And some folks were flipping their lid that it wasn't shown on screen, but instead told to them on social media. It's fucking Nien Nunb, you psychos!
I just cannot with folks who get grumpy about continuity errors on a SITCOM! My god! Just watch the dang episode! Sitcoms are the anti-continuity, haha!
With due respect, MASH struck a balance between drama and jokes, especially in Season 4 going forward. Sitcoms don't get treated any differently by me. Continuity is continuity and if it has a disparity it stands out. And, more pointedly, a short form comedy web series, Red vs. Blue, did an excellent job with continuity. So, yeah, I am not grumpy on it; just a statement of facts presented in the text.
Yeah, I was thinking of stuff like Golden Girls, where the number of children or details like that doesn't really have any effect on story. Episodes written years apart that have minor discrepancies were commonplace. They weren't written with the intention of being an all-cohesive universe, nor really written to be obsessed over. They are ephemeral stuff. VCRs weren't around for these old shows. They weren't made to be binge-watched. And that's okay.
having Disco practically begin with that long Tkuvma speech inside the suit was jarring. I did love the Elizabethan costuming, and re-imagining this era as a very feudal period for the Klingons, and I don't care how many penises they have, but the elongated heads, muffled sounds of the actors (they could have fixed in post, but didn't). Yeah that seemed like another symptom of oddball Fuller stuff.
I feel like the fan service in pic s3 is clouding people's judgement. Did the fan service make me smile? Yes. Does fan service cover up any plot holes and contrivances? No. As the dust settles , and the fan service stuff wears off, maybe people will see that Pic S3 does indeed have flaws. I enjoyed it for the most part, but it's too fresh for people to say 'its the best Trek EVER '. That's going a bit far.
it has many flaws. Its one of the most convoluted evil villain plots, ever.
The resolution was just stealing liberally from ROTJ (fly into the bad guy station and destroy it, while the forward team distracts further away, and meanwhile on the evil bad guy station, a father reconnects with his son to overcome the evil uber villain). This was as Star Wars as Trek has ever gotten, and I don't know if that's a bad thing. This season had more downs, than ups for me, but the ending was better than most Trek season enders of late, so that's fine.
I feel Vadic was hyped up , and although Plummer was good, her character was wasted. I also felt cheated that the Changelings ended up being a red herring, and the Borg were the villains AGAIN. Borg have been done to death
I don't know if it's a bad thing but whenever people say Trek has gone too "pew-pew" I will point back to this "highly rated" season.
That makes me wonder, what actually is the least violent Trek series right now. Certainly not Picard. I'm inclined to say Prodigy.
SNW or Pro are both fairly light hearted
Except when one of them has Lizard people laying their eggs in some people and eating said people and the other had Starfleet ships destroying each other because of an evil A.I
Now that it's over, I don't think it really righted any ships. As I've written before, I found season one flawed but ambitious and creative, season two an interesting mess that didn't work in total, and season three a season of individually effective episodes that were less in sum.
Of the three, season three did the least with its characters in terms of giving them fleshed out arcs to follow and interesting personalities that newcomers could invest it. To my TNG novice boyfriend, they were mostly a "shrug". For a 10-episode serialized story to have such sketchily drawn characters and character progressions is vaguely disappointing. This is admittedly a pet peeve of mine: to me, good stories provide all the pieces the viewer needs, relying minimally on outside knowledge. This wasn't that story.
The plot ended up being convoluted, with the changelings' motivation for allying with the Borg of all factions both unclear and cliche. And the season undid or reversed any number of things from Chabon's run in a way that dimished those things, and didn't feel like natural extensions of them. So much of what happened felt like the writer's nostalgia was directing the characters rather than the characters themselves. It felt like characters, choices, and places just popped into the story because they were needed, not because they naturally existed there.
And what happened to Laris?
And yet some individual scenes were enjoyable. The Geordi and Data stuff did right a different ship: the later films really sidelined this core friendship. And it's so good to see Burton get to act and play with this character this way. It was great to see Ro; my boyfriend sat up and became absorbed when she came on board, and we were both sad when she went. And the finale was legitimately well put together, I thought.
But as a whole, I found the season too bleak and one-note, with little character development and simply not a lot of charm. I do very much prefer the fuller characterizations and thematic richness of the awkwardly assembled season one.
Of the three, season three did the least with its characters in terms of giving them fleshed out arcs to follow and interesting personalities that newcomers could invest it. To my TNG novice boyfriend, they were mostly a "shrug". For a 10-episode serialized story to have such sketchily drawn characters and character progressions is vaguely disappointing. This is admittedly a pet peeve of mine: to me, good stories provide all the pieces the viewer needs, relying minimally on outside knowledge. This wasn't that story.
The plot ended up being convoluted, with the changelings' motivation for allying with the Borg of all factions both unclear and cliche. And the season undid or reversed any number of things from Chabon's run in a way that dimished those things, and didn't feel like natural extensions of them. So much of what happened felt like the writer's nostalgia was directing the characters rather than the characters themselves. It felt like characters, choices, and places just popped into the story because they were needed, not because they naturally existed there.
And what happened to Laris?
And yet some individual scenes were enjoyable. The Geordi and Data stuff did right a different ship: the later films really sidelined this core friendship. And it's so good to see Burton get to act and play with this character this way. It was great to see Ro; my boyfriend sat up and became absorbed when she came on board, and we were both sad when she went. And the finale was legitimately well put together, I thought.
But as a whole, I found the season too bleak and one-note, with little character development and simply not a lot of charm. I do very much prefer the fuller characterizations and thematic richness of the awkwardly assembled season one.
This.
From Terry Matalas's interview with Den of Geek:
There is knee jerk criticism of this kind of thing in big pop-culture franchises, with some armchair social media critics determined to write things off for “too much fan service” or “nostalgia bait.” For Matalas, this argument feels “lazy,” because with something as massive as Star Trek, it’s not just about Easter eggs and throwbacks, it’s simply the fact that the franchise has been around for five decades.
“If you ever sit down with somebody who’s 83, if you ever sit down with somebody who’s 46, we spend a lot of time talking about the past,” Matalas says. “Star Trek is 56 years old now.”
He continues, “If you go into somebody’s house and they’ve lived there for 56 years, do you point at everything on their walls and their furniture and the music they listen to and say, ‘Member Berries!’ Or is that just the world that they lived in, you know? I get that there may be some people who have that point of view, but you know, when you have this many people responding to it in some way, I don’t think you can thumb your nose at this stuff.” ... Matalas points out that for all the nostalgia, nothing about Picard season 3 was crafted to simply retell stories that had already been told.
“Nobody wanted to make TNG season 8,” he stresses. “None of these actors wanted to play their characters from that series. They wanted to play them differently and changed from the decades. They wanted to play them challenged and damaged and different, the way that [older] human beings are in their 70s and 80s."
“If you ever sit down with somebody who’s 83, if you ever sit down with somebody who’s 46, we spend a lot of time talking about the past,” Matalas says. “Star Trek is 56 years old now.”
He continues, “If you go into somebody’s house and they’ve lived there for 56 years, do you point at everything on their walls and their furniture and the music they listen to and say, ‘Member Berries!’ Or is that just the world that they lived in, you know? I get that there may be some people who have that point of view, but you know, when you have this many people responding to it in some way, I don’t think you can thumb your nose at this stuff.” ... Matalas points out that for all the nostalgia, nothing about Picard season 3 was crafted to simply retell stories that had already been told.
“Nobody wanted to make TNG season 8,” he stresses. “None of these actors wanted to play their characters from that series. They wanted to play them differently and changed from the decades. They wanted to play them challenged and damaged and different, the way that [older] human beings are in their 70s and 80s."
And yet what was the lynch pin moment?
"Wasted time and talent", just kidding lol
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