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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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cooleddie74 said:
"Hey, we've got to pick up the Enterprise-D's saucer section, let's grab James Kirk's body while we're here."

"WAIT, WHAT?!?!?"

"Nothing."
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I love this, the surprise could either be because Kirk's body is there, or because one of them things going and digging up bodies is a fun thing to do.
 
BBC 2 6pm said:
I love this, the surprise could either be because Kirk's body is there, or because one of them things going and digging up bodies is a fun thing to do.
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We know that Picard's body was taken because Altan realized in the aftermath of the season finale of S1 that the irumodic syndrome wasn't what it appeared to be (and apparently never bothered telling Picard). So Section 31 doesn't just take Enterprise captains bodies for no reason. But we still don't know why they grabbed Kirk's and are still holding it in storage other than the ominous lines 'Project Phoenix'
 
Sci said:
PIC S3 is using the TNG cast and some of the aesthetics of the Berman era. But let's be clear here -- the structure of the season, with heavy serialization and a "mystery box" that doesn't get solved until near the penultimate episode followed by an action-packed finale that serves as structural climax of the entire season, would absolutely never have been allowed during the Berman era. Even DS9 S6-7 and ENT S3 never got that heavily serialized.

Nor, I should mention, would Berman ever have allowed the kind of incisive, character-focused scenes we saw this season on TNG or VOY (Ira Steven Behr and co. got away with it on DS9). From Jean-Luc confronting Beverly for abandoning him and not telling him about Jack, to Jean-Luc's fear of fatherhood and emotional awkwardness with Jack, to Jack's sense of fury and alienation, to Will telling Jean-Luc about what it felt like to fear losing his son, to Deanna and Will's grief, to Geordi's conflict with Sidney. The TNG characters are all recognizably themselves, but they also all much more flawed than they ever were on their original series. Berman would never have gone for that.

Oh, and there are queer characters. Berman would never under any circumstances have allowed that, period.
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I think you've lost the flow of the conversation. We weren't talking about the story structure. We were talking about you claiming that 90s Trek under Berman reflected his supposed views on women and queers.

And whether Picard S3 is in alignment with those views. A season that holds the Berman era up as something to be respected, praised and continued (albeit in this mystery box streaming format).

This person seems to think it is;

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Whereas I love Season 3, it's characters, it's balance, all the agency afforded to these characters and how they are balanced. It's perfection in my book.
 
Therin of Andor said:
It’s a stretch to think that Seven is so thoughtless and cruel, if she had studied the late Data’s heritage enough to know he prefers “android” over “robot”.

It is meant to be ironic. Humans are ironic creatures, even ex-Borg.
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I think it was also meant to be a quick (and hopefully amusing) way to remind viewers that Seven has no history with Data and no emotional connection to him, in contrast to the reunited TNG crew.
 
Greg Cox said:
I think it was also meant to be a quick (and hopefully amusing) way to remind viewers that Seven has no history with Data and no emotional connection to him, in contrast to the reunited TNG crew.
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I think 7 of 9 and New Data would have great (and hilarious) on-screen chemistry, and drive each other crazy with their personalities. I'd watch that series.
 
Only just watched and I’m somewhat torn on this. On the one hand, the sight of the NG cast back on the E-D is almost like a religious experience and immediately warrants a 10. Heck, they even managed to turn on the lights at least a little. But, when all the nostalgia overdrive is set aside, I’m honestly not sure you have a storyline that holds up terrible well. In some ways, this season feels a bit like pulp sci-fi to me, with lashings of fanfic flourishes (I mean, the crew warping off to a restored E-D is incredibly touching but it feels less like a natural, organic story beat than a fanfic fevered dream). Jack rushing off to meet with the Borg made no sense, and the less said of Deanna’s counselling the better.

Don’t come gunning for me, I am still enjoying the whole thing. I’m just finding the plotting somewhat loose and, as Trek goes, I’m not finding a whole lot of meat beneath the surface.
 
TerryTrek said:
I think you've lost the flow of the conversation. We weren't talking about the story structure. We were talking about you claiming that 90s Trek under Berman reflected his supposed views on women and queers.

And whether Picard S3 is in alignment with those views. A season that holds the Berman era up as something to be respected, praised and continued (albeit in this mystery box streaming format).

This person seems to think it is;

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Whereas I love Season 3, it's characters, it's balance, all the agency afforded to these characters and how they are balanced. It's perfection in my book.
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I watched the video...their reading of it requires a lot of assumptions and seems like a case of "seeing what you want to see." I think they are criticizing in good faith but their framing requires one very specific reading that the overwhelming majority of fans, even LGBT ones (I am not one but have tons of friends in that community and checked with some of them before talking about this to make sure it's not just me), might not share. I think issues of identity are difficult, especially if you are a member of a community that has historically been treated poorly and has to constantly defend itself. So I'm not sure how hard to go in on this...
 
Tuskin38 said:
In humans at least, the prefrontal cortex finishes developing around the age of 25, which is why the main characters (outside of Sidney) weren't effected by the Borg DNA.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3621648/#:~:text=The development and maturation of the prefrontal cortex occurs primarily,the age of 25 years.
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(I think you meant parietal lobe)

I still don't get it, older humans also have parietal lobe, why can't the transport code alter it? The Borg altered Picards parietal lobe when we was Locutus and he was way past the age of 25 at the time.

Also was the transport code used many years ago to allow the parietal lobe to fully develop into this Borg brain structure?

Finally if the transporter code was used on all the youth of Starfleet, wouldn't doctors have noticed something strange was going on as they ALL would have developed structural defects in their parietal lobes?
 
cooleddie74 said:
We have the Enterprise-J around 2573 and that means another 617 years after that (even including The Burn) for the alphabet to continue. Eleven Federation starships with the name between 2245 and 2573 so it's possible the alphabet's been extinguished by the time of The Burn. :lol:
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To be fair the Enterprise-J was from an alternate timeline where the Expanse wasn’t destroyed in 2154 and continued to grow. So it may exist earlier/later in the Prime Timeline, or maybe doesn’t end up existing at all.
 
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