Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

[Dukhat]

Yeah, it makes no sense that a spaceframe that large and complex would be outdated after only 40 years. They'd have made it with future upgrades and refits in mind. Look at 20th century technology like aircraft (4th generation fighters like the F15, F16, and F18 are all designs from the 1970s and early 1980s and are still totally relevant today) and naval ships. You'd think by the 24th century, we'd be even better at technology re-use via upgrades

Actually, I've always felt that the Galaxy class represented the last configuration of previous ship classes such as the New Orleans, Challenger, Springfield, Nebula, Cheyenne, Freedom and Niagara. It happened to be the largest iteration, but nowhere near the newest, and that type of spaceframe was actually on its way out, in favor of more streamlined designs such as the Intrepid, Sovereign, Nova and Prometheus classes. So I didn't really see the Galaxy class lasting all that long, despite what Sternbach & Okuda's tech manual stated.

Also- there's already precedent for it in the Star Trek universe. Klingon designs have lasted for over 100 years. The Excelsior, Oberth, and Miranda class starships are all seen in action 70-80 years after they entered service.

That's just because of Star Trek producers' cheapskateness. If time and money was no option, we would never have seen any of the movie models in TNG. We would have gotten new and updated designs for Starfleet and the Klingons from the get-go.

 

[trek.]

If the D goes into battle it's gonna get blown up. I don't think that's where the story will go. I think they will reconcile with Jack and him being the transmitter they will either use the 'sleep' locutus command or some variation of the "hellbird" virus that they namedropped in the early eps of the season that Bev will adapt to current-gen borg.

That way the D and the crew can sail away second star to the right just like TUC.

 

[Scionz]

Forgive the question if this is discussed elsewhere and I missed it: but was the D Bridge a full set or was it just the horseshoe and chairs, with the rest CGI or VR wall?

They fully rebuilt the set. They originally were going to use replica ones from a tour but the pieces were too heavy, so they got the copies of the original construction plans from Dan Curry and archival photos of the set pieces and rebuilt it. It is in terms of measurements identical to the TNG bridge in every respect. The differences (and I'm spitballing this part) are probably confined to materials (fiberglass over Wood... Star Trek sets were mostly wood except for NX-01 which had a lot of aluminum and fiberglass) and lighting (LEDs now) and LED screens instead of backlit panels with transparencies.

One thing to add (because it comes up). The Enterprise D bridge set used from 1987-1994 was largely destroyed as part of the crash sequence in Generations. Rick Berman was weirdly protective of hero ship designs inside and out, which is why when Galaxy class ships showed up subsequently, even over the viewer, they used generic Starfleet Bridge designs (based on the 1701-A bridge set used for countless bridges) or redresses of crew quarters and never the 1701D bridge.

 

[Cox of Seagulls]

There's your next Trek show:
Star Trek: Afterlife
To Boldly Go Where No One Has Gone Before:

starring Lorca, Shaw, Shelby, Ro
with a host of other dead Star Fleet officers.

Hey, as long as Trip is there I'm all for it!

 

[IRW Bloodwing]

They fully rebuilt the set. They originally were going to use replica ones from a tour but the pieces were too heavy, so they got the copies of the original construction plans from Dan Curry and archival photos of the set pieces and rebuilt it. It is in terms of measurements identical to the TNG bridge in every respect. The differences (and I'm spitballing this part) are probably confined to materials (fiberglass over Wood... Star Trek sets were mostly wood except for NX-01 which had a lot of aluminum and fiberglass) and lighting (LEDs now) and LED screens instead of backlit panels with transparencies.

One thing to add (because it comes up). The Enterprise D bridge set used from 1987-1994 was largely destroyed as part of the crash sequence in Generations. Rick Berman was weirdly protective of hero ship designs inside and out, which is why when Galaxy class ships showed up subsequently, even over the viewer, they used generic Starfleet Bridge designs (based on the 1701-A bridge set used for countless bridges) or redresses of crew quarters and never the 1701D bridge.

They got the plans from Drexler, per his statement on The Seventh Rule.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Hey, as long as Trip is there I'm all for it!

No one? Don't you mean we're no zombie has gone before?

 

[SimiOne]

What a Spaceporn in the last few minutes!!!!

I'm excited and angry at the same time because how much they wasted in the first two seasons.

We need "another final Season" !

 

[Cox of Seagulls]

And the final moment is a Home Alone scene where Troi screams Kestra! As she realises they left her at home.

Then a post-credit sequence where Laris is looking impatiently at her watch.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Penultimate Picard. This episode was hilarious. Only 25-and-unders are affected, so it's up to the old codgers to save the day, in an old "analogue" ship - a fix-up/recreation of their original one. They just need their old jammies back on! At least we'll finally get to see them properly lit for the last episode.

Oh, and Jack is the Borg Messiah. The whole thing is so utterly ridiculous. It works though, and was a lot of fun.

Remember the other episode I said was the most fanwanky thing ever? I was wrong.

Earth is in immediate danger, every Starfleet officer 25 and under is now a Borg drone, people are dying by the thousands and my son is Borg Jeebus. Let's take several minutes to forget all this and swoon over nostalgia in our old ship

Shaw died. Bye bye, interesting new character. Bye bye, spin-off hopes for those so inclined.

 

[cooleddie74]

This is the biggest weed trip of a Star Trek episode in a long time and somehow...it works. It's got empty calories coming out the ass but are they tasty.

 

[Dee1891]

The Queen is the one from Voyager. She's all fucked up because of Admiral Janeway.
https://collider.com/star-trek-picard-season-3-borg-alice-krige-terry-matalas-comments/

She's dead.

But, as Shaw pointed out in episode 4 of this season, the Jurati-led Borg were from an alternate timeline and had nothing to do with the Borg in the Prime Universe.

Huh? But the Jurati-led Borg came from the Prime Universe. Surely, they had returned to the Prime Universe, just as Picard and the La Sirena crew did?

 

[Yistaan]

Even Trek Wars doesn't count the Disney ones eh?

I know this was a joke but I did think about including the sequel trilogy, but then realized 'The Last Borg' isn't something that Trek's producers are ever going to make.

 

[fireproof78]

I know this was a joke but I did think about including the sequel trilogy, but then realized 'The Last Borg' isn't something that Trek's producers are ever going to make.

More's the pity...

Huh? But the Jurati-led Borg came from the Prime Universe. Surely, they had returned to the Prime Universe, just as Picard and the La Sirena crew did?

Not exactly. The Borg Queen came from the Confederation timeline, and then continued on until they were able to create their own Borg Cooperative that would not be destroyed by the main collective. So, yes the Queen is an alternate timeline, but they now exist in the Prime Timeline.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Not complaining at all, but if Geordi was restoring the Enterprise, then wouldn't that have been at its last incarnation? Like the Bridge we saw in Generations. I actually really like this version.

It's a good bet this was discussed heavily amongst the producers and writers, and they decided to go with the iconic television version. And I can understand why. Not complaining at all here. Just an observation.

I honestly prefer the TNG Enterprise-D Movie bridge over the TV version, something just feels more complete about the design.

 

[SJGardner]

I can already imagine how it could've gone if Shaw survived and followed the Enterprise crew along with Raffi and Seven. As Picard & Co. are marveling at the restored D bridge:

Seven: (immediately steps behind the horseshoe and starts assessing the systems) "The tactical capabilities of this ship are woefully inadequate compared to those of the Defiant... or Voyager. Although I'll have to admit I'm perhaps a bit biased towards my own ship."
Raffi: (rolling her eyes) "Guys, we'll have time for nostalgia later, we've got a universe to save."
Shaw: (shaking his head, to no one in particular) "I hate the carpet. I really do."

 

[Sketcher]

Wasn't one of the reasons for adding the side consoles to account for shooting in widescreen vs 4:3? Tbh it's kind of jarring to see so much of the original D's bridge in widescreen, with there being so little to catch the eye on the sides.

 

[Crewman6]

empty calories coming out the ass but are they tasty.

Phrasing!


(god, that's a disgusting sentence.)

 

[fireproof78]

Phrasing!


(god, that's a disgusting sentence.)

Indeed. And I'm tired of weed references...

 

[Tuskin38]

I don't think these Borg can assimilate, they're completely biological.

 

[jaime]

Wasn't one of the reasons for adding the side consoles to account for shooting in widescreen vs 4:3? Tbh it's kind of jarring to see so much of the original D's bridge in widescreen, with there being so little to catch the eye on the sides.

I think at one point even on the show they were gonna have side panels/stations, but that would have meant extras on the bridge every episode so they dropped it (like the same way we rarely see the bridge crew seat warmers unlike in the pilot) and we got lockers instead.

The tech manual is still unsurpassed as a piece of Tv tie in literature to this day. The Ent D is a marvel of complete fictional design on a par with Tolkiens middle earth.