Very unlikely that was intended: this season was filmed before the invasion.
none. There is no connection at all.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"
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Huh? It's pretty realistic. Most of the "Shelbys" I've known in real life, both men and women, are so ambitious and don't care who they step on in the journey to the top BECAUSE they want to be in the limelight, shaking the hands, and satisfying an already bloated ego.
Shelby now is exactly where she envisioned herself being way back in BOBW (minus her staff getting assimilated and shooting her down obviously). She was a good officer, but she was just rushing through it to get to the top and Riker called her out on it (in a rather nasty way which I didn't approve of, but his underlying point remains valid). Starfleet was a stepping stone for her to get the top spot she craved, and she got it. And that hunger for power probably blinded her to things like the stupidity of linking the fleet etc. that guys like Geordi, who don't have much of an ego and are just there to do their job and serve Starfleet, see immediately. And that ambition and hunger for power caused her to miss out on a full fledged Starfleet infiltration and ultimately ended up getting her killed.
If you think about it, it's a very, very fitting end to the character that was seen in BOBW.
I thought they were being exactly what I said and called it so. If I’d thrown in douche bag or moron, that I think would have been actually insulting. But maybe I’m not showing enough patience or restraint. Jumping the gun myself where they actually thought what they were saying, not being argumentative for its own, twisted self-immolating, sake. Point taken.
That was a bit messy, but I think that by the end of the season that timeline had reverted to the federation one.
There was the cooperative on Voy:Unity.
lol. Indeed, it’s quite a mess. But in universe it must be a good reason!
First and likely last!
Lol, the F got a worse deal than all the others. Reused design from a game and bare bridge set. At least the J had an original design or the B had a nice bridge!
I have no idea why so many believe JL and Beverly will get back together: I’m not getting that vibe at all. Just because you have children with someone doesn’t mean you need to still be romantically involved with them. Hell, I even know people with similar situations (someone having children with someone who’s now just a friend while now being involved in another relationship).
PIC Season 3 Checklist
[ x ] Following up on loose ends from TNG.
[ x ] Cleaning up the rest of the mess from the TNG Movies.
[ x ] Changing things from PIC Season 1 that Terry didn't like.
[ x ] Nod to ENT.
[ x ] Nod to TOS.
[ x ] Several nods to the TOS Movies.
[ x ] Following up on the end of DS9.
[ _ ] Following up on the end of VOY.
[ x ] Following up on loose ends from TNG.
[ x ] Cleaning up the rest of the mess from the TNG Movies.
[ x ] Changing things from PIC Season 1 that Terry didn't like.
[ x ] Nod to ENT.
[ x ] Nod to TOS.
[ x ] Several nods to the TOS Movies.
[ x ] Following up on the end of DS9.
[ _ ] Following up on the end of VOY.
true and I think they reused the model from the season 1 dream: I’m not 100% sure but I seem to see three bussard collectors in each nacelle instead of the usual two.
That sounds like the kind of defense you used to get from Disco fans
Assuming Jack survives it, he's also old enough that his parents not being together won't mess him up more than he already is. The time he needed Picard in his life was as a kid, and Beverly deprived him of that, which I still feel is a horrible place to take her character.
For one thing, someone raised by Picard all his life would NEVER have run off with a phaser delusionally trying to solo a Borg cube like he did in this episode. And no, I don't think that was the Borg acting that was him, as its clear he *does* have some autonomy from the Borg (for example he killed 4 changelings when the Borg would obviously want him to go with the changelings). Being raised in Beverly's new lawless lifestyle affected him negatively in ways that never would've happened if he grew up with Picard on Earth. Heck, Aunt Deanna might have caught the Borg thing a LOT sooner. A Jack raised by Picard would've just gone to Vulcan, and may even have made suggestions that Jean-Luc in his mental prime might have made, such as going to Jurati's Borg for help.
I took the Shelby speech and Frontier Day as exhibiting Starfleet's arrogance. At first, I thought the reveal would be her as a Changeling and she would be the main Changeling (beside Vadic) in charge of overseeing the Borg takeover.
But I think overall Shelby and the entire stupidity of the brass being lured into the Frontier Day event is meant to exhibit a sort of arrogance that's set in with Starfleet, to the point that it doesn't see value in older things and the wisdom of older figures, such as Picard, Riker and even the Enterprise-D (e.g., getting called the "fat one").
It reminds me a lot of Search For Spock, where Starfleet is ready to decommission the Enterprise and Captain Styles's arrogance about the Excelsior. And how that's contrasted against the strength of Kirk and his crew as a family ready to do what's necessary to help their friend.
But I think overall Shelby and the entire stupidity of the brass being lured into the Frontier Day event is meant to exhibit a sort of arrogance that's set in with Starfleet, to the point that it doesn't see value in older things and the wisdom of older figures, such as Picard, Riker and even the Enterprise-D (e.g., getting called the "fat one").
It reminds me a lot of Search For Spock, where Starfleet is ready to decommission the Enterprise and Captain Styles's arrogance about the Excelsior. And how that's contrasted against the strength of Kirk and his crew as a family ready to do what's necessary to help their friend.
It was just the Titan/Stargazer bridge. They just put a chair on the upper level behind where the captain's chair normally is.
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The Queen is the one from Voyager. She's all fucked up because of Admiral Janeway.
https://collider.com/star-trek-picard-season-3-borg-alice-krige-terry-matalas-comments/
The design of the F is much more than just ‘from a game’ to be fair.
I think they should show Picard and Beverly working on repairing their relationship as friends before they ever show them as a romantic couple. I'm glad the show doesn't seem interested in that relationship like that. After everything that's happened just this season, it'd a reach. I hope it just leaves them with being in each other's lives again because of Jack, as former colleagues, and hopefully friends again at some point.
The only two people who need to end on a romance or couple note are Riker and Deanna and that's because they're already a married couple and because their romance has always been a part of their story.
The only two people who need to end on a romance or couple note are Riker and Deanna and that's because they're already a married couple and because their romance has always been a part of their story.
Oh, I left that blank intentionally. Here's why: I expect next week to be a sequel of sorts to "Endgame", like the previous few episodes were a sequel of sorts to "What You Leave Behind". This week sort of is a sequel to "Endgame" too, but next week will really be.
Moriarty wasn’t Moriarty either to be fair.
Interestingly, I wonder if Shelby was giving the speech Picard was supposed to?
All things Brian Brophy did first.
He didn't seem to know about the shops being interlinked.
Maybe I could've been ok with the Borg if the Borg appearances in seasons 1 and 2 actually tied into this. They didn't. I don't think we're going to see Hugh's ex-B from S1 or Jurati's Borg from S2 coming to save the day. Heck, we don't even see any connection between Seven's temporary time as Borg Queen in S1 (and the ominous, "Seven still has work to do" or something to that effect when the Queen releases Seven from her control) and what's going on right now.
Not to mention that the message of Hugh's mission to help ex-Borg is now lost in the chaos of Borg horror stories again.
Which makes it clear that there was no overarching plan in Picard on how to handle the Borg. It just feels like each season the writers really thought the Borg were cool but didn't go further than just repeatedly reusing them without context to other seasons in the same show. It's equivalent to how, say, Rey's and Snoke's origins are handled in each movie of the SW sequel trilogy.
Not to mention that the message of Hugh's mission to help ex-Borg is now lost in the chaos of Borg horror stories again.
Which makes it clear that there was no overarching plan in Picard on how to handle the Borg. It just feels like each season the writers really thought the Borg were cool but didn't go further than just repeatedly reusing them without context to other seasons in the same show. It's equivalent to how, say, Rey's and Snoke's origins are handled in each movie of the SW sequel trilogy.
You forgot to quote the part where I said, "Too much like real life, I guess."
And you kind of proved my point where her ambition evolved into thirst for power and prestige (which it doesn't need to in all cases), making her someone who was reduced to simply looking for the next rung on the ladder to climb, ultimately leading to her own demise and that of the fleet and thousands of people who crewed it. The wisdom of age and experience should have been able to keep the demons of ambition in check. She deserved better than that kind of legacy, IMO.