Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"
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Jurati's Borg are the "good" Borg with their own collective dedicated to cooperation and diplomacy wherever possible and the rest of the Borg in the galaxy are the remnants of Admiral Janeway's neurolitic pathogen wreaking havoc on the original Collective.
Sure. They were five years old and threadbare. Plus, Berman wanted to put a different visual stamp on the film, to differentiate it from the series.
Because the new unforms they had made for the film were junked after a day of filming with them. It's why the scene of Geordi being tortured isn't in the film -- it was shot with Burton wearing the junked uniform and not remounted.
Stewart and Spiner had custom uniforms made in the Deep Space Nine style. Frakes wore Avery Brooks' costume, and Burton wore Colm Meaney's.
I've never been able to get confirmation of this, but I suspect the new Generations unifoms were to then be used on Voyager. It was an accounting trick Berman used again with First Contact -- bill the new uniforms and props for the television series (plural) to the film budget. If Voyager used the uniforms made for Generations, then that's a cost that didn't have to be spread across the first season's budgets like the the sets.
Yeah actually, "what is this DNA doing in the transporter system?" could have made a good mystery for a couple of weeks.
Some thoughts:
The fleet synchronization and having the entire fleet at Frontier Day feel like pretty big plot contrivances. But other than that, I feel like this first part of the finale really worked to set up the big conclusion.
The mystery of Jack really works thematically IMO. It fits nicely into Picard's past as Locutus. I think having the Borg as the big baddie for the final outing of the TNG cast also fits. And we got to see a new take of the Borg. Seeing the crew change into "drones" simply from the Borg DNA implanted into them was effective at making the Borg scary. And it also makes sense that the Borg after Endgame would seek revenge on the Federation and would try subterfuge since clearly the brute force approach does not work. And having the Borg working with these rogue changelings, also worked IMO. These rogue changelings are radicalized and also hate the Federation. It's a classic "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". I could see them working with the Borg towards that common goal of defeating Starfleet.
I do think there was a miss opportunity that they did not have the assimilated Starfleet glass Earth. That would have really upped the stakes and been a great WTF moment to lead into the finale. But the favorite part was the TNG crew returning to the Ent-D. Yes, we all saw it coming but it was a great moment. It warmed my TNG heart. I got emotional when Data said "hello chair". But it is kind of funny how they dismissed the Ent-E with a quick one liner and then gushed over the Ent-D. The writers seemed to be saying "fans don't care about the E, they only care about the D. The D is the real TNG Enterprise."
The fleet synchronization and having the entire fleet at Frontier Day feel like pretty big plot contrivances. But other than that, I feel like this first part of the finale really worked to set up the big conclusion.
The mystery of Jack really works thematically IMO. It fits nicely into Picard's past as Locutus. I think having the Borg as the big baddie for the final outing of the TNG cast also fits. And we got to see a new take of the Borg. Seeing the crew change into "drones" simply from the Borg DNA implanted into them was effective at making the Borg scary. And it also makes sense that the Borg after Endgame would seek revenge on the Federation and would try subterfuge since clearly the brute force approach does not work. And having the Borg working with these rogue changelings, also worked IMO. These rogue changelings are radicalized and also hate the Federation. It's a classic "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". I could see them working with the Borg towards that common goal of defeating Starfleet.
I do think there was a miss opportunity that they did not have the assimilated Starfleet glass Earth. That would have really upped the stakes and been a great WTF moment to lead into the finale. But the favorite part was the TNG crew returning to the Ent-D. Yes, we all saw it coming but it was a great moment. It warmed my TNG heart. I got emotional when Data said "hello chair". But it is kind of funny how they dismissed the Ent-E with a quick one liner and then gushed over the Ent-D. The writers seemed to be saying "fans don't care about the E, they only care about the D. The D is the real TNG Enterprise."
Seeing them all on the bridge of the Enterprise D really got to me.
I think they could have done without the frontier day and networking shenanigans. If anything, it would have been even more frightening (and less silly) if ships all across the Federation and beyond were simultaneously effected. Making it just be Earth actually lessens the threat, not least because we know they're not going to let Earth be Alderaan'd the way Vulcan and Romulus have been.
Now THAT'S some Faith of the Heart.
Yep. Took me back to a better time and a better world.
I'm a bit worried they might go the way of Prodigy's Season 1 finale, where the crisis is solved extremely early in the episode, leaving the remainder of the episode as some sort of extended epilogue for the TNG cast.
Another plot thing I don't think anyone's mentioned... Geordi's been refurbing the Enterprise D as kind of a side project for the museum? OK, no problem.
This involves getting the bridge back in shape? Makes sense for tours etc, plus he probably enjoys it.
He's got the engines, including warp engines, working? Uhh why... but I guess maybe it's a safety regulation?
He's got all the weapons working and the ship is ready to load torpedos and go into combat? Not buying that one.
This involves getting the bridge back in shape? Makes sense for tours etc, plus he probably enjoys it.
He's got the engines, including warp engines, working? Uhh why... but I guess maybe it's a safety regulation?
He's got all the weapons working and the ship is ready to load torpedos and go into combat? Not buying that one.
Geordi doesn’t, he isn’t aware that he’s a fictional character. As far as he knows his daughters are Borg and trying to kill him and his friends.
Yeah as I mentioned upthread, I think they should have gone the GoT route and solved the major crisis this episode, to have room for a 'family' type epilogue for the final ep.
And your point is what? That websites shouldn't get called out for ruining stuff for people? 2:15 AM and spoiled in less than 12 hours for East coast people is shitty. They are prioritizing clicks over their readers enjoyment of the thing they are posting on. I am specifically referring to comicbook.com which is owned by Paramount and the photo that went live about 30 minutes ago that is likely already appearing in people's automated news feeds. I get the emails from them, and the spoiler is not yet there.
I really don't think people should have to either rush to watch something immediately or avoid all media, social or otherwise, because some morons think it is OK to publish major spoiler images hours before the majority of the people have had a reasonable chance to watch something.
I don't think it needs an explanation. It was just Vadic that was working with the Borg. She gave the others her properties and they followed her because they all wanted revenge for the phage. She was the leader and communicated with the Borg. She wasn't too happy with how it was working either, but presumably just did it to get back at the Federation. They showed that guy disagreeing with her and getting killed for it which was basically just there to show that she was in charge of them and that it was an authoritarian chain.
I guess one aspect here is why did the Borg ally with the Changelings? Was it not possible for them to assimilate them? Or would they be detected if they assimilated them?
Presumably as a museum it has weapons that were offloaded from ships being delivered for display.
Even museum ships, at least in the US, if you had the applicable charges and they were reconditioned, could fire. IE the 5" and 16" guns on the US museum battleships would still very much fire if they were reactivated.
I can buy that Commodore LaForge has enough clout to get his beloved Enterprise-D back up to barebones operational status as a pet project, particularly if the Syracuse's stardrive section arrived more or less fully intact.
LAFORGE
Commodore LaForge to Starfleet Ordinance Command, do you read?
STARFLEET
We read you, Commodore. Go ahead.
LAFORGE
Have you had a chance to review my munitions request?
STARFLEET
Affirmative, Commodore. I'm afraid we're not going to be able to deliver a full complement of armed torpedoes to your museum.
LAFORGE
This is an outrage!
STARFLEET
Sir, more than 1,000 schoolchildren visit the museum everyday...
LAFORGE
[CLOSES CHANNEL] Alandra, get in here! I need you to take out a shuttle for me...
Right, but they would need to be reactivated right? That would be a pretty big job.
But also those museum ships weren't wrecked and then reconditioned. Geordi would have to have put an enormous amount of time and effort to get the weapons and shields in anything like usable shape. Given the damage the D took in Generations I'm betting that most of those systems in the saucer were basically destroyed?
Granted this only applies to the phaser strip, because the drive section was from another ship.