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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x09 - "Võx"

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That it was the Borg all along had already been spoiled by the Episode 4 subtitles.

I was fine with the resolution of the Borg story line in season 2. So it feels lame to me to bring them back as enemies in season 3.

Another legacy character killed off. At least not a fan favourite this time. Like with Will Wheaton it was painfully obvious that Elizabeth Dennehy hadn't been acting for quite some time.

We all knew that Shaw wouldn't survive this, so no surprise there either.

So there were like what.... 200 ships? That can hardly be the entire fleet.

The re-introduction of the Enterprise-D was great but I don't know why they're going straight back to Earth with no plan.

And finally, we get some properly lit scenes.
 
Stewart isn't a boomer, he's about 5 years too old.

Touche! Although that's still so close that his major cultural experiences would have been relatively similar to that of the Baby Boomer generation. He was in his 20s in the 1960s after all.
 
First thing I thought. WTF was S2 even about then? And all the smart asses fixing to be smart-assy with some glib reply can just shut up, because I don't care if you didn't like it. It still happened. It was a story they told just last year.
Oy, this goddamned show. Why?

Picard producers made clear long ago there are Jurati Borg and separate Borg Proper.
 
So Shelby is in charge of a plan to gather the entire US Navy off the coast of Washington DC for a fireworks display, and network all the ships so the computers can control them without the consent of the crew? Leaving the Federation border basically defenceless (and weren't there any eg relief or science missions in progress? they brought every ship back? come on...) and creating another single point of failure?

I thought for sure she was a Changeling, it's the only way to explain such a nutso move.
This is not the same. The surface of the sphere analogy would be super fast ships all over the coast and land vehicles all over the land boarders.

As far as the borders go, only the hot spots matter. The borders are so huge that the ships cannot cover them all adequately. Additionally there are ally ships out there that could be asked to be available.

The thing here is that it is irrelevant. The fleet was already compromised wit the Transporters and could be assimilated in its entirety regardless of the locations of each ship. The writers simply chose to put ALL the ships there to amplify the threat level and make it clear to fans that there is only one 35 year old ship with 7 geezers on it that can save the whole fleet. I mean how can you be happy with that absurdity and then nitpick the fleet thing? It is all absurd, but it is done so it can be fun. They wanted to give fans a scene with a shit ton of ships and they did.
 
The crew smiling and happy to be on the enterprise d didn’t really hit with me considering what had just happened with the fleet.

Also not sure I really like the Borg as the villains yet again. Where are the Jurati borg? Can they help somehow since they have similar technology ? They were monitoring the anomaly just a few months ago right ?
 
Touche! Although that's still so close that his major cultural experiences would have been relatively similar to that of the Baby Boomer generation. He was in his 20s in the 1960s after all.

Fair! Though I do think 5 years would have made a big difference then, he would probably remember rationing in the UK whereas true Boomer wouldn't. But your general point stands, it's about the old people coming to save the day.
 
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This is not the same. The surface of the sphere analogy would be super fast ships all over the coast and land vehicles all over the land boarders.

As far as the borders go, only the hot spots matter. The borders are so huge that the ships cannot cover them all adequately. Additionally there are ally ships out there that could be asked to be available.

The thing here is that it is irrelevant. The fleet was already compromised wit the Transporters and could be assimilated in its entirety regardless of the locations of each ship. The writers simply chose to put ALL the ships there to amplify the threat level and make it clear to fans that there is only one 35 year old ship with 7 geezers on it that can save the whole fleet. I mean how can you be happy with that absurdity and then nitpick the fleet thing? It is all absurd, but it is done so it can be fun. They wanted to give fans a scene with a shit ton of ships and they did.

It always takes me out of it when (as far as we know) smart, well-meaning characters have to be stupid for the plot to work. I still think it would make far more sense if the fleet at Earth was just like the 'sector 001 home defence fleet' or something.
 
I'd have to go back and check, but didn't the D also look more 'modern'/metallic in Picard's dream with Data in season 1? Looks like they've reverted to the softer carpeted look.
IIRC, it's an entirely different VFX team since Season 1. Season 1 also got the model wrong.The made a new model just for the show and it had the wrong details.

The history of Galaxy class CG models is complicated. Off the top of my head, there was the Generations model by ILM, the DS9/Voyager model, the Enterprise "These Are the Voyages" Model... all of which share a heritage as they passed through different studios and modelers hands. There was also a Ships of the Line calendar model, and perhaps most relevantly, the Eaglemoss model.

Eaglemoss (and Star Trek Online) are vitally important to Trek VFX from an archival reason. A lot of that 90s CGI was thought lost until it was recovered for Eaglemoss from long forgotten servers and hard drives as studios shut down, people got laid off, etc. As it stands right now, I believe the most comprehensive archive of 90s Trek - Enterprise CG is on the drives of the Sam Cockings of Trekyards, and the modelers (their names escape me for the moment) of the Eaglemoss Magazine. The thing about Eaglemoss is that they used the 90s-00s meshes as starting points, and gave a lot of that old CGI modern high-fidelity CG. A lot of the DS9/ Battle of Sector 001 ships, for example, were completely unsuitable for modern publication or CG, until Eaglemoss finances "modern gold master" (let's call it) versions of the ships that corrected old problems and answered long lignering questions as to size and function.

With the Galaxy class, because of its importance, this was a particularly laborious process (Trekyards went into it) because of how many versions of the model there has been over the years, and sometimes conflicting details of the physical motion control models from the 1990s. What is "right" when the original models don't all agree?

Long story short, there is a couple VERY high fidelity public-sector model that's seen many years of revisions, and there is the Eaglemoss Galaxy class CG model, which might as well be the "modern gold master" of the design from a CG perspective given the work that's been put into it and how it can trace its direct heritage to the Generations mode. The Picard Season 1 CG model had no heritage it was brand new.

Which leads to the question: what Model is this Enterprise D? Is it a new model made by the studio? Did they use the Eaglemoss model? Do they even have it? The Eaglemoss model would be (by far) the most accurate to the motion control because any new model would undoubtedly introduce errors (eliminating errors in the other models has taken decades). But CGI rights (and interests) are complicated. It's not clear (but it seems unlikely) there is an "official" CGI Galaxy class model anymore, or that the concept of an "official model" of any ship still exists as a concept, as VFX production gets passed around. This could mean that errors creep into legacy, and even existing ship designs, as the years roll on, because CGI of previous productions isn't archived once aired.

I've tried to get a straight answer from David Blass on CGI ownership for some time, and he's been very circumspect about it. It's unclear if Paramount/CBS even has the Eaglemoss models, or the 90s models. Or for that matter many of the Picard models. There seems to be some centralized collection and archiving by Paramount/CBS, but not much and not comprehensive and much of it is on the servers of its VFX contract houses (which go out of business all the time and sell off servers).This is relevant because in the 90s/00s, Berman-era Trek stuck with a few studios for CG- Foundation and Digital Muse for the CGI era of Voyager/DS9, EdenFX for Enterprise, ILM and Digital Domain for most movies - which allowed for continuity between models (which got passed around on producers requests) and limited introduction of errors. It's unclear if this is happening in the Streaming Trek era, but it doesn't sound like it from what I gathered. Especially since a bunch of CG artists just got laid off after completing work on Picard Season 3, we could easily be heading into another lost-meshes-on-private-computers situation again. Especially in the WFH era.

There were "official" models of Enterprise TOS through Enterprise E... the physical model. There is, right now, an official Enterprise F model used on Star Trek: Picard. Unless its preserved, it could easily be lost, because studios are not sentimental about digital archiving, unless they intend to use it again. And a lost Enterprise F model, even as digital, is the same as losing a motion control physical model.
 
These are not the Chabon-Hippie writers room S2 Borg trying to make them all nice and friendly. These are not the tamed Voyager Borg. These are the absolute horrific BORG, the original flavor. Troi's reaction is perfect as that's how anyone should react to a Borg Cube. This episode corrected the damage and nerfing to the Borg that Voyager did, and erases the asanine S2 Borg made friendly for todays softer audience.

Chabon wasn’t Showrunner for season 2. Terry Matalas was do Showrunner and developed the season
 
IWait a sec. I just remembered. Didn't the Borg Queen die in Endgame with the alternate Janeway? lol
#fanservice
Only one Queen exists at any given time; when she is destroyed, a new Queen takes her place. In Star Trek: Voyager, it's revealed that the Borg Queen isn't a singular entity, but the name given to any that serves as its host, possessing all previous Queen's collective consciousness.
 
I don’t know…since jack just walked into the borg ship the entire season plot of not turning him over to Vadic seems…pointless

Well, we still don’t know and will probably never know, why the Borg and rogue changelings worked together.
 
Well, we still don’t know and will probably never know, why the Borg and rogue changelings worked together.

I think this does actually make sense. They were both taken down a peg by the humans (this was hinted at in the queen's dailogue), and the changelings wanted the humans to suffer a fate worse than death.
 
So who was the face Vadic was talking to? Just a random face of the collective? How did the borg and changelings even meet to set this plan up. Did the borg threaten to assimilate the link? I just feel like there’s. A lot of things that took me out of the episode
 
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