Spoilers Who is the mastermind in Season 3 of Picard?
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Has the queen ever changed her voice? Didn't Annie Wershing's Queen use a disguised voice at one point in Season 2?
Redjac, Redjac, Redjac!
No idea
The Borg have spoken with a multi-male echo.
Redjac has taken over the Queen!
Argh
Smell The Glove confirmed.
So let's say Deanna sees an entire hive of Borg in all their horror First Contact style or in one of the more extreme episodes of Voyager. Would that REALLY get her running in sheer terror as the preview for Vox shows? How could she have served on the Enterprise and the Titan all these years with that kind of reaction to Borg? Yes it seems she missed direct encounters with them on TNG and FC, but I'd assume by her time on the Titan holodeck desensitization training against armies of Borg was probably mandatory for all Starfleet officers or something.
Also how would
Also how would
Levar's reported deleted tweet about the Enterprise D come into play? They go back to the Fleet Museum and then use it to crash Frontier Day? What happens to the Titan?
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I'm really curious about Jack's vision and what Deanna Troi saw and was afraid of and refused to tell Jack what was behind the red door. And maybe something to do with the Borg. I'm still curious who the big giant head alien is that wants Jack so badly. And what the Changelings had planned for Federation day.
You know the only time we've seen people have that kind of reaction to a vision? All thosse people who went mad from the Admonition in Season 1, including Jurati.
Then Season 2 left hanging that some threat was on the other side of a new transwarp conduit and Jurati's good Borg would guard it.
Now spoilers have said that Season 3's finale retcons the finale of Season 2. Maybe it's the advanced synth monsters from Season 1 coming through the gate of Season 2. The Borg knew about the Admonition from Jurati's memories (thus the retcon as she shouldn't have been connected to the "main" Borg) and put a biological weapon inside Picard to fight them, which Jack inherited. Another retcon is that the advanced synths sail through the conduit with no mention of Jurati's Borg at all to crash Frontier Day, and that the changelings have been trying to use Jack to fight the advanced synths, by having his mind control powers martial all the gathered fleet on Frontier Day.
I suspect the “happily ever after party” for the crew is on the enterprise-d bridge at the museum
I mean....
Imagine that the Borg and Changelings are a combined faction that is threatening the Federation. Changelings have infiltrated SF and are in control of most ships. All currently ships are linked. The TNG crew will help their own individual ships with each being further crewed by the crew of the Titan-A.
My other theory is that whatever / whoever the big bad is, they are responsible for whatever came other side of the wormhole at the end of Season 2 and the big grabby tentacles at the end of Season 1.
Maybe the Na'kuhl are pissed off and coming back for more.
Maybe the Na'kuhl are pissed off and coming back for more.
I think the door is a gateway to the Devron system and opening it is what creates the anti-time anomaly and the tachyon beams were just part of it. A parting gift from Q as Picard now has to try to stop the doorway from being opened and creating the same anomaly he warned all his crew about all those years ago, except that he is snookered as the anti-time future doesn't exist as he has no way to turn off any of the tachyon beams. His body was stolen as his memories contain all the information needed to recreate the anomaly and wipe out all life in the galaxy.
Ancient and lonely made me think Anaphasic lifeform - or the DouwdSubtitles said the voices are the Borg Queen and Beverly
Those guys are good at genocide
My theory as we go into the final act is that "The Face" is Jack. Or, rather, whatever entity is residing within Jack. Would provide a neat explanation as to how the conspirators kept finding Jack and Beverly when they were on the run ("How did they find us? That's impossible!"). Also explains why The Face is so adamant about capturing Jack alive even if it means destroying the Shrike and all aboard.
Then when the entity ends up fully taking control of Jack that'll give us our "new" villain without having to introduce and establish a new actor in the story. In my mind then the Locutus stuff from earlier in the season isn't meant to imply that Locutus is coming back, it's only to draw a parallel between the experience of Picard and his son. Being controlled, against your will, to potentially kill millions. It'd be a nice way to ensure the stakes are personal and not just galactic. Picard saving his son's life, and saving his son from experiencing the same guilt and shame he experienced after BOBW is more compelling, imo, than just saving the Federation (again).
As to the identity of the entity.. have to say I'm thinking pah-wraith. Or at least I'm thinking there's enough circumstantial evidence pointing that way that I wouldn't be surprised.
Then when the entity ends up fully taking control of Jack that'll give us our "new" villain without having to introduce and establish a new actor in the story. In my mind then the Locutus stuff from earlier in the season isn't meant to imply that Locutus is coming back, it's only to draw a parallel between the experience of Picard and his son. Being controlled, against your will, to potentially kill millions. It'd be a nice way to ensure the stakes are personal and not just galactic. Picard saving his son's life, and saving his son from experiencing the same guilt and shame he experienced after BOBW is more compelling, imo, than just saving the Federation (again).
As to the identity of the entity.. have to say I'm thinking pah-wraith. Or at least I'm thinking there's enough circumstantial evidence pointing that way that I wouldn't be surprised.
For everyone insisting that Locutus is some ancient, mystical evil horror that apparently sends Deanna Troi screaming in terror, let's go back to what Locutus himself says in BOBW.
Locutus (after he's captured and brought onto the Enterprise): A futile manoeuvre. Incorrect strategy, Number One. To risk your ship and crew to retrieve only one man. Picard would never have approved. You underestimate us if you believe this abduction is any concern.
And indeed the Borg don't seem to bother trying to retrieve Locutus or anything. He's just a spokesperson. That's all he was. To retcon him into being some mystical evil where changelings have to literally carve up Picard's brain (as opposed to any other of the many ex-Bs running around as seen in Picard S1) is a massive contradiction of the original BOBW episodes.
Locutus (after he's captured and brought onto the Enterprise): A futile manoeuvre. Incorrect strategy, Number One. To risk your ship and crew to retrieve only one man. Picard would never have approved. You underestimate us if you believe this abduction is any concern.
And indeed the Borg don't seem to bother trying to retrieve Locutus or anything. He's just a spokesperson. That's all he was. To retcon him into being some mystical evil where changelings have to literally carve up Picard's brain (as opposed to any other of the many ex-Bs running around as seen in Picard S1) is a massive contradiction of the original BOBW episodes.
The Borg may have just assumed since Sector 001 wasn't assimilated/blowed up and Locutus didn't send a distress call to the Delta Quadrant for reinforcements, or upload himself to the cloud, that there wasn't a Locutus to retrieve. In fact, maybe it gave the Borg the pause to temporarily postpone sending another cube, since this primitive Federation figuratively bored the Borg so much they put them to sleep then immediately exploded
Also, revealing Locutus as being an ancient evil (maybe he seemed more chill and logical because he was joined with Picard), isn't really more of a massive contradiction to BOBW than First Contact revealing the Queen was also present
Here is a variant of the ancient evil idea that just occurred to me. It's my new favorite leading idea.The Borg may have just assumed since Sector 001 wasn't assimilated/blowed up and Locutus didn't send a distress call to the Delta Quadrant for reinforcements, or upload himself to the cloud, that there wasn't a Locutus to retrieve. In fact, maybe it gave the Borg the pause to temporarily postpone sending another cube, since this primitive Federation figuratively bored the Borg so much they put them to sleep then immediately exploded
Also, revealing Locutus as being an ancient evil (maybe he seemed more chill and logical because he was joined with Picard), isn't really more of a massive contradiction to BOBW than First Contact revealing the Queen was also present
Consider the Borg Queen. What is she? We've seen several and know there have been many. When one dies, a drone becomes the Queen. We can say it's a "personality program" which can be grafted onto different individuals (the FC Borg Queen, the Dark Frontier queen who was a different species, Jurati) to fulfil the need of the collective to have a moderator who brings "order to chaos".
But why would that necessarily be the only personality program? We saw them individualize Seven of Nine (hold that thought). We know the Borg can make individuals as needed. Who is to say the Queen is the only personality program they have stored?
Similarly maybe Locutus isn't an ancient evil in the sense of something the Borg assimilated a long time ago that's now free of it's Borg shackles. Maybe Locutus is also "personality program" they load onto a representative assimilate particularly resistant species, and that every time they succeed, Locutus grows in experience to apply forward to the next species it is used on. If the Queen is the program loaded to moderate the collective, Locutus is the conqueror loaded to ensure the collective grows. Maybe Picard was like the 423rd Locutus host and had the invasion succeeded, Picard-of-Borg would have been decommissioned and the Locutus personality program idle until the Borg needed to deploy it again.
Under this theory, it's manifesting in Jack now, because it was (unintentionally) passed down biologically (remember: Borg are biological and technological) giving the Locutus personality program - mostly trapped inside Picard's corpse' parietal lobe - a way out of an immobile corpse and back to the collective. Vadic was going to load the Locutus personality program she harvested from Picard's corpse onto the ready-made host in Jack, which would be familiar to Seven who had her own personality loaded back onto her body when the Borg chose her as a representative, and would be familiar with the nature of the Queen. This is what Vadic was referring to when she said to Seven that it's "good she witness this".
In summary:
-Locutus is another "program" the Borg keep making versions of like the Borg Queen, and it is ancient in that they just keep making new ones and passing the knowledge down to the next version.
-Picard wasn't the first host for the Locutus personality and wouldn't have been the last.
-It's trapped in Picard's corpse parietal lobe, communicating by manipulating nanoprobes in Vadic, and looking to get out. It "awoke" when Picard moved his mind to a synth golem.
-Jack was born accidentally as a ready made host for Locutus since the Borg are also biological and aspects of Locutus were passed down in Picard's DNA. Once "awake", Locutus sense him and wants to merge with him.
-That's what Vadic was about to do on the Bridge of the Titan and wanted Seven to see it because Seven would understand that Borg individiduals are loaded programs (basically) and that Locutus was just a misplaced one.
-The face of the antagonist in the last two hours will be Locutus with Jack's face (and not some new actor or a CG creation), and the plot will revolve around stopping Locutus without killing Jack. A father/mother save their son from demonic possession story, but with Starships.
DS9 did this in 'Reckoning' in one episode when Jake was possessed by a pah wraith.
Yup. But it's a good story to recycle.
The problem with your theory is that Jack can do things that no Borg, Queen or Locutus, can do. No Borg has ever been seen to be able to telepathically control someone outside their collective the way Jack did to Mura. If the Borg were able to do that, they'd have steamrolled the Federation very quickly.
Also, if Jack was controlled by a Locutus program and the Locutus program is Vadic's boss and in league with the changelings, why did Jack's powers go all augment and kill a bunch of changelings some weeks back? Wouldn't Jack's visions tell him to go with the changelings, not kill them?
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