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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x08 - "Surrender"

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Picard to Will: “About Deanna, that accent…”
Will: “She went to school in London, never shook it.”
Picard: “Yes, that happens a lot”

It does happen a lot, I am an american teacher in a London school and basically have to speak with a pseudo-british accent so the kids can understand me. And then my midwestern relatives roast me on the phone. Some London neighbourhoods assimilate better than the borg...
 
Picard addressed new Data as commander.

Does this mean that the new Data is automatically a member of Starfleet with the rank of Lieutenant Commander? Does he continue his status as a member of Starfleet where he left off when he died in the Nemesis?

Check out the Starfleet uniform from Data when everyone gathers in the conference room. There are no rank pips on it. Why?
 
Picard addressed new Data as commander.

Does this mean that the new Data is automatically a member of Starfleet with the rank of Lieutenant Commander? Does he continue his status as a member of Starfleet where he left off when he died in the Nemesis?

Check out the Starfleet uniform from Data when everyone gathers in the conference room. There are no rank pips on it. Why?
One of my best friends is a retired Lt. of the US Navy. I call him Lieutenant all the time. Doesn’t mean he still has that active rank.
 
It does happen a lot, I am an american teacher in a London school and basically have to speak with a pseudo-british accent so the kids can understand me. And then my midwestern relatives roast me on the phone. Some London neighbourhoods assimilate better than the borg...

I hear you. English and 15 years teaching round Asia... I don't know what the fuck my accent sounds like these days.
 
Well, he's hardly been distant towards her, which would be a justifiable response given what she has denied him for over twenty years. And you're deflecting: my question was has he mentioned Laris at all over the course of this show?

As for contrivances, plot holes and the like, I'd be here for quite some time if I mentioned all the ones I've noticed. And they're increasing with each episode. Now I'm very aware that as with any piece of storytelling you have to suspend your disbelief at points because you're not watching real life play out: there's a certain amount of sleight of hand and manipulation involved from the filmmakers, but it becomes increasingly difficult to disengage your mental faculties for this extended period of time, and willingly accept a season just because it has some of your favourite characters in it. That's not enough. It has to make a bit of sense too.

I'll just highlight one from the last episode to illustrate my point. Vadic assuming control of the Titan (which was ridiculously contrived too) and threatening to execute hostages. This doesn't work for quite a number of reasons. First of all, she has control of the entire ship. Lock them up, transport them or corral them into certain areas just like Jack did to you in the last episode. Actually, they're human beings.... just gas them. So that's one reason it makes zero sense.

And why is a group of highly trained Starfleet officers still sharing space with her on the bridge? The bridge. And even sillier still, they're not bound or gagged. Drag them into another area that limits the possibility of them taking back the ship.

Another reason is that generally speaking with hostage situations in films the villain is trying to extract information or unearth conspirators/heroes. Basically they're in the dark about something or someone. Or want something that they can't get their hands on. Kruge killed David in SFS because he wanted the Enterprise and the secrets of Genesis. There's no secret for Vadic concerning Jack. She knows who "he really is" and yet she plays out this little act, and it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Hasn't it been impressed upon her a few times over that time is running out? Isn't he dangerous? It's a juggling act, designed to excite an audience, with very little advancement of the plot.

She's assumed control of the Titan and yet Jack can miraculously join her on the bridge with a bomb/force field in his hand? This is a villain who from the very start seemed to have an in depth knowledge of Starfleet and yet she can't control one of their ships? Even the lifts? And then she's sucked out of the hatch, having essentially teased us about Jack for eight episodes. And she dies in space. Sorry, she's killed, because writer's didn't need her, her crew or her ship anymore. The plot of this entire episode doesn't hold up to any degree of scrutiny.

She’s a sadist because of her own torture. That’s been there since she first appeared. That’s why she acts how she does regarding the humans, she isn’t there to capture or kill, she is there to terrorise until she gets what she wants. She likes to play with her victims, the same way she was treated. It’s been there in dialogue and back story for episodes now.

The only reason they took back the ship is because of something she overlooked and didn’t know about — Data. She’s nuts and has a variable ego. So she didn’t think she could be overcome by a starfleet crew — and she was right. Because Data was not a factor in her planning. Nor was the nebula being alive in her previous attempt.

She wants Jack, not the ship, so *of course* he can come to the bridge. That’s what she *wants*. She also wants Jack to come voluntarily, and whatever is in him to wake up — she won’t or can’t just tell him, she wants his voluntary submission.

I mean accuse it of being very similar to the Borg queen if you like, but it’s not a plot hole or contrivance, it’s character driven.

This is just stuff you have to pay attention to and hold in your memory week to week. Like the old days.
 
So was the Shriek bridge abandoned?

They just chilled while Riker et al took off on a shuttle and then when their leader bounced off the front they just shrugged?
 
It does happen a lot, I am an american teacher in a London school and basically have to speak with a pseudo-british accent so the kids can understand me. And then my midwestern relatives roast me on the phone. Some London neighbourhoods assimilate better than the borg...

Yes we do xD
And your students can probably understand you fine, and may be taking the pee. We grew up on American TV and film after all — though I guess it depends on the accent.
 
Still makes no sense at all. Database may have contained absolutely nothing. They had no idea at that stage. Vadic was the one with the information.
So you move the goal post and then whine that they should have tried to capture her instead? FFS they were in a crisis and needed to retake the ship. They had a plan and it worked. What would the plan be to disable all of the changelings and capture Vadic? Basically you just want to cry about everything and litter thread after thread with endless complaints. I really don't get why you consider this a worthwhile use of your time. Perhaps you get off on the fact that people don't like your posts and think that they somehow care about that a few seconds later.
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Never moved the goalposts. They never moved the database waffle. They left an enemy ship just to float in space until they were needed again. What information they gathered from said ship was never mentioned because we need a Troi Jack moment together. Come on man. Snap out of it.

Sure saying they shouldn't destroy the ship because it contained information, being reminded that they downloaded the data, and then saying the data isn't everything because something could be missing, i.e. my lack of understanding of the situation doesn't matter because I can make up another whatabout, isn't moving the goal post because I don't even understand the concept. You argue like someone with no short term memory and it is right there in your posts.
 
Well this version of Troi seems to have the ability to perform mind melds which I don't think she had the ability to do so before.
i think this springs from "Nemesis" greatly enhancing her empathic abilities to include telepathy. She long distance melded with the Viceroy herself after he created that link for the Shinzon/Viceroy/Troi assaults. So it's there.

None of us liked it when it was established, but it's there nonetheless.
 
Did anyone else think for a second that Deanna Troi was going to be revealed as a Changeling in that scene where Riker was telling her everything he'd done to keep her safe?
I was more shocked when the act ended and nothing happened...:shifty:
JB
 
i think this springs from "Nemesis" greatly enhancing her empathic abilities to include telepathy. She long distance melded with the Viceroy herself after he created that link for the Shinzon/Viceroy/Troi assaults. So it's there.

None of us liked it when it was established, but it's there nonetheless.

She’s always had more…. Bandwidth, when dealing with other people with telepathy.
Including, due to reasons, Riker himself.
In Nemesis the Remans are telepathic, mostly touch, just like their Vulcan forebears.
Jack has some kind of telepathy at play, so it still makes sense here.
 
I admit I have only watched a handful of TNG episodes since it ended and mostly the event stories, so my Troi lore is rusty. But thanks for establishing that the precedent is there.

It didn't seem out of place. It was good to see her doing the job she was hired for again.
 
I admit I have only watched a handful of TNG episodes since it ended and mostly the event stories, so my Troi lore is rusty. But thanks for establishing that the precedent is there.

It didn't seem out of place. It was good to see her doing the job she was hired for again.

She used to get taken over by aliens one way or another on the regular. Especially if the guest aliens were telepathic.
In much the same way, Riker was regularly kidnapped and tortured, including on occasion telepathically.
This is Tuesday for the Trois, and probably reminds them of the good old days. Poor sods.
 
Yes we do xD
And your students can probably understand you fine, and may be taking the pee. We grew up on American TV and film after all — though I guess it depends on the accent.

It was actually the other teachers that 'suggested' I speak differently if that tells you anything...my accent is closer to 'fargo' than 'friends' unfortunately - RP probably makes me sound less stupid to them :lol:
 
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