Alright. You’re a curmudgeon.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x07 - "Dominion"
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Having attended an FS con just a few years ago, I can testify to just how passionate its fans still are.
And I still maintain that Crichton and Aeryn Sun is the best romance in SFF tv.
(Sorry, Mulder and Scully, Xena and Gabrielle, Riker and Troi, etc.)
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You liking the cast of TNG more is hardly surprising, Most of the characters in Picard had less than 20 total episodes, TNG cast 177. Thats a hell of lot more time to get comfortable with a cast.
55. Caught TOS in the early rerun days before I was 5. Honestly, I don't remember a time when I wasn't a fan. Watched all of the movies first run (most opening night) , watched TNG from start to finish as it aired. The other shows were hit or miss, but I wound up watching all the Berman Era Treks in the end.
The TOS reruns really cemented my fandom. They were being played on two channels. So I had more a chance to catch an episode. The guy who became my best friend was also a fan and introduced me to The Making of Star Trek and the Blish adaptations. At the same time TAS started. Truly a Golden Age.
I'm 38, and got into Trek with TNG. While I have been liking the new season, I don't like this nostalgia trip that fans seem to crave. From the conventions (And I can include the cruise in that as well) to just pining for the old times I don't think it's fair to the newer generation that Trek keeps relying on the old (Characters and Actors). I've been pretty outspoken saying that there is a cloud over this season that won't go away, which is that the series kicked off the other characters so they can bring back the NG crew. I feel bad for those actors because they didn't get a chance to shine.
I think this is one of the things I've been enjoying about Prodigy. Yes you have Janeway, but the focus is solely on the kids and it's the series that seems to have the most heart. Star Trek needs to move forward, and they need to get new blood for the newer generations. I think shows like The Expanse and Orville showed that space operas can work really well in these modern times. Star Trek needs to embrace that.
One thing I've never seen people talk about in regards to Trek writers is why not bring back someone like Naran Shankar? He did The Expanse (I don't know what he is doing now) and that became a really good show for the modern times. I wonder if he was ever asked if he wanted to come back to Trek.
There was a Flash villain last year who was squashing people into cubes with a force field.
pepper Potts in the comics, as Rescue resented that patronizing Tony built her an Iron Man rig without weapons called "Rescue" so she she took it's force field, flattened it into a p[lane, and spun it around at extreme velocity creating an indestructible buzz saw that she could cut people in half with.
The movie "Explorers" had a spherical force-field puncturing a library.
I remember some one pushing their own face against a force field cell wall, so that their jailer would turn off the force field because it was also a suicide attempt.
Indeed. Delenn / Sheridan is the only other one in its league.
Comfortable is a good word. I don't think most of them were particularly interesting or well-written, but they are familiar and that counts for a lot.
It does still sting that several characters who I found more interesting (and better acted - I couldn't help but wish that Pill was playing off Plummer rather than McFadden) were shoved aside for them, especially after some were underserved in the previous season.
Riker and Troi still have time…
But no other show has had the guts to make it *the* overriding story that’s pretty much the overall arc.
In some ways it’s almost unfair to compare to Trek, because all the Romances have been in full ensemble casts. (Farscape is too, but in this case I am talking cast of characters in relation to story — there’s no doubt FS is Johns story overall) Tom and Bells on VOY was pretty well done in that regard, and Trip and T’Pol from what little ENT I have seen. Once they made their mind up. Even Keiko and Miles do alright when they get their odd episode as a married couple.
But fundamentally nothing touches FS, that keeps its anti-war, here is the romance, story front and centre whilst still having all the exciting pew pew stuff. Not to mention the other runners, like Dago and Chiana, or even Stark and Zahn.
This season of Picard may be the equivalent of the Peacekeeper Wars for the TNG movies, and that’s no bad thing.
One small thing I just realized: Since they’re hiding in the Chin’toka System at the beginning of the episode, they’re either in Cardassian space or by the 25th century Chin’toka might have been annexed by the Federation after the Dominion War.
During DS9, it’s clearly indicated to be a Cardassian system and the Federation Alliance’s first beachhead into an offensive against the Dominion.
During DS9, it’s clearly indicated to be a Cardassian system and the Federation Alliance’s first beachhead into an offensive against the Dominion.
Did anyone notice Tuvok (Tim Russ) seemingly wearing a uniform from either Strange New Worlds or was it a Chris Pine film security job? 
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Adama/Roslin.
We're the same age. I do think a lot of fans just want the same thing. Many have been watching Berman era reruns since the 90s so they want what's familiar and, to quote a word I've seen multiple fans use, "cozy" for them. There are people who also don't want their heroes or characters to change (complaints on twitter about Riker being mad at Picard not making sense *because* he never got mad at Picard in TNG). I do like this season quite a bit better than the first 2, but with only 3 episodes left I don't necessarily feel like it's necessarily a huge step up from even the best of Discovery. It has more of the look and feel of Berman Trek though and that's what a lot people are comfortable with.
I think of the original Picard cast, Isa Briones and Evan Evagora really got the short end of the stick. First with Isa - she was a major part of season 1, was excited about the character, and I thought she did a good job despite being new to TV. Season 2 stuck her in that horrible Soong plot playing another character. Would have liked to see more development of Soji *after* she found out what she was. Elnor was sidelined for all of season 2. I thought Rios and Jurati had some good material and their characters were allowed to have closure.
From a story perspective though it makes sense to me not use the old cast again - Picard hired Rios for a mission to find and help Soji. Jurati came along because of her synth work and because of the mind meld with Oh. Elnor was picked up to help with the mission. Once that mission was complete there wasn't really a reason for them to keep hanging out together.
55 here too, and the same basic intro to ST, maybe a year or two after. Skål !!!
That's true, but it was also true when Q brought them all together for the start of season 2, for some reason.
Not really as there were PLENTY of TNG episodes with no real action - just talking until the last 5 minutes where they figured out the particle of the week to use to fix the issue.
*coughs* Ensigns of Command *coughs*Not really as there were PLENTY of TNG episodes with no real action - just talking until the last 5 minutes where they figured out the particle of the week to use to fix the issue.
Sorry, something in my throat.
