Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x07 - "Dominion"

[Racefuel]

But this is the 25th century. Humans have evolved. Kirk never resorted to execution.

Except for kicking Kruge in the head while saying "I have had enough of you!" and sending him falling into actual lava when he probably could have tried to save him and said "fine I'll kill you later" to Maltz...who we never saw again, so maybe he did, even though he said "I lied"

Kirk also *hated* all Klingons for Davids death, to the point where he wanted to see all of them die. Yes, he did have something of a change of heart at the end of the movie, but that was predictable.

Picard also killed the Borg Queen in FC instead of trying to save the remains somehow, basically a coup de gras

 

[Tarek71]

We saw Odo cure the senior Changeling on Cardassia and then go back and share the cure with the Great Link. I am not sure how that fits with what was revealed here except that there might have been Changeling POWs who were S31 prisoners or had some other Black Site-like status, rather than normal POW's who have rights under prevailing conventions for how to treat prisoners, etc. Her brushing over the order to exterminate the Cardassians civil population, unleash plagues in the Gamma Quadrant on target worlds, etc in order to make it seem like the Dominion fights fair unlike the Federation was agitprop nonsense. But believable from a fanatic partisan.

Anyway, these prisoners may have been disappeared and told that they will not be receiving the cure, and Vadic had to break out and steal it, since it was stored at the facility. I thought of Khan and Into Darkness. Admiral Marcus type figure involved.

Not the best episode this season. But compared to the last two seasons, it still scores well enough for me.

 

[Nerys Myk]

But this is the 25th century. Humans have evolved. Kirk never resorted to execution.

Spock sure was pushing him to though.

SPOCK [OC]: The creature is in this area. I'll take a lifeform reading.
KIRK: It's not necessary, Mister Spock. I know exactly where the creature is.

[Tunnel]

SPOCK: Where, Captain?

[Cavern]

KIRK: Ten feet away from me.

[Tunnel]

SPOCK: Kill it, Captain, quickly.

[Cavern]

KIRK: It's not making any threatening moves, Spock.

[Tunnel]

SPOCK: You don't dare take the chance, Captain.

[Cavern]

SPOCK [OC]: Kill it.
KIRK: I thought you were the one who wanted it kept alive, captured if possible.

[Tunnel]

SPOCK: Jim, your life is in danger. You can't take the risk.

 

[jackoverfull]

Not a bad comparison. Maybe she can be reached, but can she be redeemed? What always bothered me at the end of Return of the Jedi is Yoda and Obi Wan standing beside the youngling slayer. They would never forgive him.

What is redemption exactly? And what’s the point of keeping grudges in life (not to mention in death)?

What really bothers me in this episode are Tuvok's ears. I don't understand how they are not able to make prosthetics as from Voyager era. It looks so different.

Ears of Tuvok in Voyager:

Ears of Tuvok in Picard:

I guess Vulcan’s ears change over the years.

 

[donners22]

There's no way they were going to have a TNG Reunion without Brent Spiner or Data. They did it in just about the only way they could. He's back but he's not back. At the end of the day, they're machines with files that can be copied as long as the information exists somewhere. The Daystrom Institute isn't going to abandon the most advanced AI they know of, especially once the ban on developing AI is lifted.

This is the problem, though - the TNG reunion is coming at the expense of a coherent story.

It's one thing to not abandon advanced AI, it's another altogether to use the experimental, unstable AI to hold the station's inventory and control its security . It's also extraordinary that Geordi and co would hook up said unstable, experimental AI to the ship such that it can take control.

For those who just want to see the TNG cast back I'm sure it's great, but it's becoming jarring for me at least.

 

[fireproof78]

Except for kicking Kruge in the head while saying "I have had enough of you!" and sending him falling into actual lava when he probably could have tried to save him and said "fine I'll kill you later" to Maltz...who we never saw again, so maybe he did, even though he said "I lied"

Kirk also *hated* all Klingons for Davids death, to the point where he wanted to see all of them die. Yes, he did have something of a change of heart at the end of the movie, but that was predictable.

Picard also killed the Borg Queen in FC instead of trying to save the remains somehow, basically a coup de gras

McCoy with salt vampire.

Kirk with Mitchell.

Enimnar 7.

The Klingon on Capella.

Kirk is willing to kill. This should shock no one.

 

[burnside986]

Hello, long time listner, first time caller.

So is the Big Boss of Vadik a Reman? Just the design of the ship and the face she communicates with (reminds me of the Yuuzhan Vong from the Star Wars books really) really remind me of the Remans from Nemesis. Also dealing with Picard cloning there too, makes me suspicious.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Except for kicking Kruge in the head while saying "I have had enough of you!" and sending him falling into actual lava when he probably could have tried to save him and said "fine I'll kill you later" to Maltz...who we never saw again, so maybe he did, even though he said "I lied"



Kirk also *hated* all Klingons for Davids death, to the point where he wanted to see all of them die. Yes, he did have something of a change of heart at the end of the movie, but that was predictable.



Picard also killed the Borg Queen in FC instead of trying to save the remains somehow, basically a coup de gras

Kirk did try to save kruge and kruge tried to pull kirk down to so Kirk had to kick him down to his death. Kruge killed his son but Kirk still resisted killing him until he finally had to save his own life.

 

[Ovation]

But this is the 25th century. Humans have evolved. Kirk never resorted to execution.

Gary Mitchell would like a word.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Hello, long time listner, first time caller.







So is the Big Boss of Vadik a Reman? Just the design of the ship and the face she communicates with (reminds me of the Yuuzhan Vong from the Star Wars books really) really remind me of the Remans from Nemesis. Also dealing with Picard cloning there too, makes me suspicious.

Welcome to the boards!

 

[TRON JA307020]

Gary Mitchell would like a word.

Gary wasn't unarmed and in a cell. Plus he had the power of a God..

 

[Ovation]

Gary wasn't unarmed and in a cell. Plus he had the power of a God..

Not when Kirk buried him. Powers weren’t all restored by then. Not to mention the pacifist Vulcan urging Kirk to “kill Mitchell while you still can”.

 

[Soong-type Android]

Didn't realise Starfleet managed to capture that many changelings or that changelings were that actively involved in the Dominion War to allow that many to be captured and experimented on.

 

[fireproof78]

You're too late. We're everywhere.

 

[cooleddie74]

This Changelling poses a threat the very existence of Starfleet and the Federation. Had Picard and Beverly offed her I wouldn't be losing any sleep over the fictional ethics.

But she needs to live for the purpose of the story, so she was never going to die in Episode 7.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Ok. Maybe I missed something. The USS Constance?

 

[cooleddie74]

The starship a young Shaw served on in 2367 at the time of Wolf 359.

 

[fireproof78]

Ok. Maybe I missed something. The USS Constance?

Right before the USS PRUDENCE.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Ok. Maybe I missed something. The USS Constance?

It was the ship that Shaw was serving on when the Battle of Wolf 359 happened

 

[Nerys Myk]

He did a whole monolog about it.