Yes, there are people who won't be happy unless the new shows are exactly like the 90s shows. There are still people complaining that this season isn't like TNG or Voyager. I even saw someone say they want more episodes like Voyager where the doctor would come up with the solution in the last few episodes because that felt "cozy" to them. For some, showing the Voyager with the theme song is enough to make them happy for an episode because it reminds them of what they loved.
The Terry Matalas as Star Trek Showrunner Petition
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Yes, there are people who won't be happy unless the new shows are exactly like the 90s shows. There are still people complaining that this season isn't like TNG or Voyager. I even saw someone say they want more episodes like Voyager where the doctor would come up with the solution in the last few episodes because that felt "cozy" to them. For some, showing the Voyager with the theme song is enough to make them happy for an episode because it reminds them of what they loved.
Yep. And it is, after all, just entertainment. What does it have to be good for.
Trek i don't like bugged me more in the days when a bad series or movie foreclosed the likelihood of something else being produced that I'd rather see. That doesn't appear to be the case these days - at least while SNW is being produced. The show is head and shoulders above everything else Trek for decades now, and Picard doesn't come close in any department.
Trek i don't like bugged me more in the days when a bad series or movie foreclosed the likelihood of something else being produced that I'd rather see. That doesn't appear to be the case these days - at least while SNW is being produced. The show is head and shoulders above everything else Trek for decades now, and Picard doesn't come close in any department.
In fairness it's hard to go off on what is essentially a swansong for the TNG crew. Who knows what he would do with a Trek series with original characters. Can't say say I'm enthused by his proposal for a "Star Trek: Legacy" series though, as I'd rather see a Trek series with entirely new characters and a new setting.
That's one of the cartoons, right? I haven't watched it or Prodigy. Other than TAS viewings as a kid, I'm strictly a live-action Trekker.
the problem with docks is that they are very heavy and, by their very nature, immobile. After awhile one tends to feel immense pier pressure.I know the TrekBBS has a no doxxing rule, so wanted to respect the poster's pseudo-anonymity.
Edit: spell check fail
ok.
I'll go now.
Yeah, it's the 2D one. I wouldn't try to sell you on the cartoons if you don't have an interest in animation, but I'd certainly argue for their continued existence. Plus I have a feeling Strange New Worlds would have a few supporters, a lot of people are hyped to see Starfleet Academy do something new, and this is the 'give Terry Matalas his own show' thread, so even though there are only four series in production now, people still won't be happy with anything less than five.
I was going to post something snarky, then I realized who you actually are. I'm a fan of your work.
The Tilly show, as confirmed by the trades, will be a 'Young Adult' Soap.. likely aimed at teens/gen z.
Ideally, there's some space for a more mature Trek series from a creative standpoint. Just unlikely the budget for it currently if the Tilly show is eating it up.
I'd love to see more of the 25th century, based on what I know of where Pic S3 ends off. However, if we don't get it, it's no big deal. Ep 9/10 is a nice funeral for 90s era Trek.
That isn't accurate. You'll find the majority of those Youtubers, with their massive followings and subs, enjoyed "The Last of Us" on HBOMax. That show is much heavier with it's 'identity politics' than the Nu Trek offerings.
Difference is, TLOU is brilliantly written and directed. When the writing is strong, the 'woke' discourse tends to dissipate.
I never deified him. Go re-read the original post.
Also, these are the guys that created the petition, they talk about it right here;
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So again, I didn't create it. I just re-posted it here for any who were interested.
Most accurate statement written in this thread.
Dare I say, some gatekeeping?
And, I'd say part of it too is likely some people being anti-anti-NuTrek. Granted it's actually worse on Trek Twitter, where some are attacking season 3 because "those people" like it.To be fair, I think everyone posting here probably takes Star Trek too seriously. "Fan" is short for fanatic after all, and when hard core fans approach something new, with very different priors, the disagreements tend to be amplified. And for the lore/continuity segment of the fanbase, without the multiverse safety valve that JJ Abrams at least offered, other NuTrek has added zero sum game valence.
There's also the factor of interacting with people online you don't know in person. I've been lurking on this board off and on since ENT, but very rarely posted, so this is actually new to me. Star Trek, especially post-2009, is far more heated than the other forums I stop by focused on Blu-ray discs and travel...
There's a massive difference when you interact with people online whom you've already met in person, however briefly, compared to just a user name.
Season 3 is just season 1 with better production design, member berries, and nostalgia! But keeping it just to the series of this sub-forum, season 1 showrunner Michael Chabon told Variety he intentionally made aspects of that season divisive. Whereas you have Terry Matalas telling some of NuTrek's strongest critics that he hoped season 3 would appeal the entire fanbase (it's not like he said he hoped the season would piss off say the core DISCOVERY fanbase).
What got me was not including a hyphen and then spell check blanking on my botched attempt at "anonymity".
I gotta disagree here. That would be an epic fail. If they want to do demographic micro-targeting instead of going four quadrant, make sure you have something on the menu for everyone. Otherwise it is zero sum, and you will have winners and losers.
That said, now that Covid filming restrictions are being lifted, that will add 25% back to the budget. Terry has proven he could do season 3 with the restricted budget of Covid and the heavy above the line talent. A LEGACY could come in under $5 million per episode. So for me I'll remain cautiously optimistic a LEGACY could still happen. It's not even First Contact day yet.
The anonymity factor plays a huge part in our ability to relate to people online. It is very difficult to "remember the human" when it's just words on a screen. Emojis don't help, online slang doesn't help, and acronyms don't help. It all comes across as very dehumanizing in one aspect.
Especially in an era of increasing political polarization and inequality, where people also get their dopamine hits from being keyboard warriors...
*sips at soda*
Got my dopamine hit right here
Jokes aside, I remember being that way. The older I get, the less warrior I am and the more interested I am in other people's perspectives, while struggling with the tendency to dismissive nature of tossing Trek fans out with the shows they like. Like, it's one thing to like, or not like something. It's entirely different to put something on a pedestal, or contrary wise, to constantly knock it down.
Yes, I'm as guilty as any one else here. But, that's part of my efforts is to find value in people, not in a fleeting entertainment show.
That's me. IDIC.
90210 is just the appetizer. If not, why announce it yesterday instead of FC day which is less than a week away. They've already cleared the decks re Discovery, SNW and LD news, and now they've gotten 90210 out of the way too. Only really leaves the fate of Prodigy up in the air and I doubt they'll be saving that as a FC day reveal.
I still think they'll can Prodigy, and the savings from that along with a reduced budget for 90210 will still allow for three live-action shows as well as reducing the overall Trek budget.
Why do you keep saying 90210? Call it by it's name. We don't know enough about it to start giving it silly labels
Why do you keep saying 90210? Call it by it's name. We don't know enough about it to start giving it silly labels
And I'm happy to revise my abbreviation when more is known. Until then though, I'll just call it as I see on the information we have at the moment, 90210.
I agree in that I only see PRODIGY running for 40 episodes. In the span of 4 years its target demographic would have aged out, so would make sense to start a new pre-teen show if Nickelodeon is game.
On the 90210... I'm thinking more like Star Trek: Hogwarts, but with CW "Gen Z" trappings. Plus Paramount and Warners sold a majority stake in the CW to Nexstar (which took over Tribune, so owns the CW TV stations in New York, Los Angeles etc). Nexstar is gutting the CW programming, so SFA will probably have its pick of the CW writers, for better or worse. That said, THE 100 was surprisingly good for a CW YA genre series, albeit had an off the walls final season.
I would like to reserve judgement on Matalas until season 3 ends. But even if the wheels do fall off a little with Picard, he's still the best out of a whole bunch of showrunners over the last few years that actually delivered a viable product.
What a horrifying prospect.....
Academy will probably act as the third of the three live action shows (SNW (first class) likely New Legacy Show (business class) and then Academy (economy class)
to keep a younger audience on side. I wouldn't be surprised if they stick resident Gen Z melodrama expert Michelle Paradise back in as showrunner. Tilly as a lead? You know it's coming...
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