The Terry Matalas as Star Trek Showrunner Petition

[TerryTrek]

It's not about Picard, Terry or even you. It's about the over the top, hyperbolic, seemingly sycophantic approach that can only praise something they like by tearing something else down. Plus I'm not a fan hype. I love Bruce Springsteen, but the statement by Jon Landau "I saw my rock and roll past flash before my eyes. I saw something else: I saw rock and roll's future and its name is Bruce Springsteen." was a bit too much.

Which is honestly fine. Just don't take it so personally man.

Praising one series in comparison to another is perfectly valid. Some fans see effective storytelling and character work in Picard S3 that they couldn't find in the previous Pic seasons or Discovery, and that's fair discourse.

If your love for Discovery is strong, any criticism towards it really shouldn't shake it.

You're getting your Tilly show. I'm getting something to laugh at. Win win.

 

[fireproof78]

Plus I'm not a fan hype. I

Indeed. Fan hype is hard to swallow.

You're getting your Tilly show. I'm getting something to laugh at. Win win.

I trust my laughing at thr nostalgic fueled Legacy series will in no way depreciate the mutual understanding established here

 

[Nerys Myk]

Which is honestly fine. Just don't take it so personally man.

Praising one series in comparison to another is perfectly valid. Some fans see effective storytelling and character work in Picard S3 that they couldn't find in the previous Pic seasons or Discovery, and that's fair discourse.

If your love for Discovery is strong, any criticism towards it really shouldn't shake it.

You're getting your Tilly show. I'm getting something to laugh at. Win win.

It's not personal
I prefer well thought out criticism, Something beyond "Sucks", "Woke" and the like. Several posters have managed that for Discovery, Picard, Lower Decks, SNW and Prodigy. They talk about plot, writing and characterization. They usually give me something to think about.

I like DISCO. I love SNW. A few snarky remarks will not change that.

I am? Cool. When does it start?

 

[TerryTrek]

I trust my laughing at thr nostalgic fueled Legacy series will in no way depreciate the mutual understanding established here

If we ever get that 'Legacy' series with Matalas, you can laugh nonstop.

I'll be on cloud nine, grinning from ear to ear.


I'm totally fine with multiple shows for different audiences. I just don't think it's very realistic at this point if Paramount's current financial cutbacks are to be believed.

All studios need to be very selective and thoughtful in the projects they chose to greenlight. Even Marvel is scaling back, after some recent D+ show failures and films underperforming. And Marvel Studios was the GOAT.

 

[fireproof78]

And Marvel Studios was the GOAT.

Was, thankfully.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I didn't sign up for the Picard forum so I could moderate pissing matches about Disco. Take it to the appropriate forum.

You can dislike a character without being an asshole about it.

That's straight-up flaming. Do it again and you've got a warning.

 

[Amaris]

Thought I'd post the link here, if anyone is up for signing;

https://www.change.org/p/let-terry-...howrunner-make-more-star-trek-shows-terrytrek

Nearly 6000 so far.

If there is going to be a future Trek series that builds off of what Picard S3 will set up, it needs fan and audience support.

Currently, there are no plans for one, and the viewership numbers for Pic S3 may not be on the level. Fan appreciation for this season may make the difference.

No, Christ no, but good luck to you.

 

[Mr Awe]

Take away the constant nostalgia bombardment and is the show THAT much better then past seasons? Can Lord Terry deliver a show that doesn't rely almost solely on nostalgia? I'm not so sure.

The first five episodes of this season were better at effectively using the serialized format than earlier seasons of Picard and the past two season of Discovery. That's 50% of the season right there that's better.

However, I'd agree that episodes six and seven are uneven. Not bad. But not necessarily better than past seasons. Are these two episodes the exception or the new trend for season?

It'll come down to the final three episodes to know for sure. If they're better then yes, this season is much better than past seasons. But we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Mr Awe]

We'll see if there is a demand for this Tilly spinoff afterall.

Weeeelll, the newly announced Academy series might be the Tilly spinoff. It sounds like it's set in the right timeframe. And Discovery seemed to be setting up that she'd be involved with it. So, we'll have to see if that pans out with Tilly.

 

[Mr Awe]

Praising one series in comparison to another is perfectly valid. Some fans see effective storytelling and character work in Picard S3 that they couldn't find in the previous Pic seasons or Discovery, and that's fair discourse.

My sense is if you had just come in here and said, "If you enjoy Picard S3 and would like Terry to be showrunner, consider signing this petition," you probably wouldn't have gotten any pushback. Instead, you presented this deified, put him on a pedestal approach.
Just some information for you to incorporate and use to adjust your approach.

I've actually been thoroughly enjoying this season for the most part. I've enjoyed it more than most of the recent streaming Trek, putting it roughly on par with SNW S1. Though there was a bit of decline with episodes 6 & 7. Need to see if they're the start of a downward trend or just outliers.

So, I'm not actually opposed to the idea. But I'll have to see how the season concludes before determining whether I'm actually for it.

 

[Mudd]

Yeah I've seen enough dismissive, smug and condescending posts in this thread (for example) from many of the regulars (in regards to fans of Pic S3) that are not 'keeping with the alleged ideas Trek promotes.'

So NBD. They just don't like it when something they like is made fun of, or their own 'fanbase' made light of. Regardless, the reactions to this Tilly show announcement should be entertaining.

I'm happy those few fans are getting something that they want.

Those grapes are pretty sour, aren't they?

So, we're getting Academy, and not Legacy.

Sorry about that petition. Apparently Tilly didn't need Change.org.

 

[fireproof78]

So, I'm not actually opposed to the idea. But I'll have to see how the season concludes before determining whether I'm actually for it.

Quite so. If Matalas demonstrates competency with the whole season then I'll consider the possibility of a him as a showrunner.

Not before.

 

[Mr Awe]

Quite so. If Matalas demonstrates competency with the whole season then I'll consider the possibility of a him as a showrunner.

Not before.

Right. Imagine actually considering something based on a complete body of work and without the hype?! Might be kind of an extreme approach in this day and age!

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

I

Lord Terry is actually t3rryb0t, an AI created by Paramount to give Trek fans exactly what they want, based solely on comments taken from social media.

An AI implanted into a manatee.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

Picard Season 3 has many of the things that some fans claim they hate about Discovery and the earlier seasons of Picard like bloated mystery box storytelling and endless forcefeeding of memberberries and the Federation/Starfleet being somewhat morally ambiguous and easily compromised. Jack is a gary-stu chosen one who develops powers as the plot requires. It's a big action blockbuster about a terrible threat to the entire Federation and there are none of the much desired standalone episodes featuring a planet of the week that the fans crave so much.

But it has kewl ships that 'respect design lineage' and LCARS displays and it mentions the Dominion War. More importantly it has a white guy commanding the ship. The black women are kept in subservient positions and aren't telling white male superior officers what to do and It also has no gay male characters. The non-binary character, Esmar is just in the background taking orders and not making a big hoohah about being non-binary.

Let's just cut through it. We all know why The Fandom Menace reviewers are absolutely loving this season. Terry Matalas has shown he respects the conservatism of 90's Trek and they think any Trek he produces will be void of all the 'woke' things they despise.

 

[Soong-type Android]

Picard Season 3 has many of the things that some fans claim they hate about Discovery and the earlier seasons of Picard like bloated mystery box storytelling and endless forcefeeding of memberberries and the Federation/Starfleet being somewhat morally ambiguous and easily compromised. Jack is a gary-stu chosen one who develops powers as the plot requires. It's a big action blockbuster about a terrible threat to the entire Federation and there are none of the much desired standalone episodes featuring a planet of the week that the fans crave so much.

But it has kewl ships that 'respect design lineage' and LCARS displays and it mentions the Dominion War. More importantly it has a white guy commanding the ship. The black women are kept in subservient positions and aren't telling white male superior officers what to do and It also has no gay male characters. The non-binary character, Esmar is just in the background taking orders and not making a big hoohah about being non-binary.

Let's just cut through it. We all know why The Fandom Menace reviewers are absolutely loving this season. Terry Matalas has shown he respects the conservatism of 90's Trek and they think any Trek he produces will be void of all the 'woke' things they despise.

So if it was up to you, how would you have done Picard season 3?

 

[Campe]

So if it was up to you, how would you have done Picard season 3?

Doesn’t sound like @Agony_Boothb is complaining about the season. Just suggesting that others’ arguments against previous Trek series and seasons is pretty thin.

 

[Soong-type Android]

They appear to take issue with how the series supposedly "respects the conservatism of 90s Trek".

 

[Mudd]

Let's just cut through it. We all know why The Fandom Menace reviewers are absolutely loving this season. Terry Matalas has shown he respects the conservatism of 90's Trek and they think any Trek he produces will be void of all the 'woke' things they despise.

As someone who doesn't like and hasn't watched much of the show, I don't see that in most comments supporting it. The essential situation is much simpler: that era is when most fans fell in love with Trek, and if you serve them up a big helping of it you've made them happy.

Star Trek is conservative - in the sense of being deeply conventional at the molecular level - in many ways and always has been. That it narratively championed some liberal ideas in the 1960s doesn't change that. In fact it frequently looked askance at the social turmoil and change taking place at the time.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

They appear to take issue with how the series supposedly "respects the conservatism of 90s Trek".

90's trek was incredibly conservative in relation to it's depictions of LGBT people and other aspects that would be considered 'woke' by certain parties. I don't know what Terry believes, but I know what the majority of the youtube reviewers who think he would be an excellent showrunner believe . Why they want him has nothing to do with writing and everything about returnign to a status quo where certain minorities were not seen and not heard.