Poll Worst DS9 couple.

[vulcancicada]

It was Worf and Jadzia. He never seemed like he actually liked her and the whole thing was forced. Plus he was so annoying about the wedding and it felt like she spent the last two years of her life doing things that were solely to make him happy and he was miserly the entire time and then she died. At least in TNG he had a sense of humour and he and Deanna were great together.

 

[Tallguy]

Gee. None of these are that bad. And calling Worf and Jadzia a bad couple is just nuts.

 

[spinagogue]

The Great Link.

 

[spinagogue]

Ezri and Bashir, because I'm jealous.

 

[Poltargyst]

Worf was far better on DS9 than he ever was on TNG, and DS9 was better with Worf on it than it was before. Big thumbs up to Worf on DS9 and to Worf and Jadzia as a couple.

 

[Poltargyst]

And how do we know Garak was gay? I don't think his friendship with Bashir is enough to say. It is possible for a couple of guys to just be friends.

 

[spinagogue]

And how do we know Garak was gay? I don't think his friendship with Bashir is enough to say. It is possible for a couple of guys to just be friends.

Agreed.
Also, although he admirably avoided even any slight reciprocity, Garak was clearly not indifferent to Ziyal's affections.

 

[Oddish]

And how do we know Garak was gay? I don't think his friendship with Bashir is enough to say. It is possible for a couple of guys to just be friends.

Andrew Robinson opted to play him that way.

 

[Takeru]

Andrew Robinson opted to play him that way.

That doesn't make the character gay though and his only canonical love interest was Ziyal.

The worst couple was Oda and Kira, she fought her entire life against caradiassians and to free her homeworld and then she falls in love with a collaborator who worked for the caradassians and was directly responsible for bajorans being tortured and executed. That makes no sense at all, she should despise him as much as Dukat and every time he does his "I was just following orders" excuse she should spit in his face. HIs backstory was badly thought out, he had no place on DS9 as part of the bajoran militia. That's like Poland making a nazi collaborator chief of police 3 weeks after WW2.

 

[somebuddyX]

Worf and Deanna might have been interesting if they'd gone with it in Generations and then whether it had continued in the background of DS9 and then into First Contact. I liked their moments in TNG but really they all happened in an alternate universe, a fantasy, when they were all turned into monsters, and an erased timeline, so it's not like there was anything tangible anyway. At least in the Marvel Comics they gave me some closure when they had a line when Deanna asked Worf about his current girlfriend and he just says "She is an older woman."

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Dax and Worf, but that's because Worf is generally selfish and self-centered. Most of the relationship is framed around what he wants, and Dax is unfortunately generally happy to accommodate.

 

[Poltargyst]

Andrew Robinson opted to play him that way.

I didn't notice. What about Andrew Robinson's Garak was gay?

 

[Tallguy]

I couldn't help but notice when I went to go see Casablanca a few weeks ago that Louis is a touch Garak-y.

"Julian is the sort of man that if I were a woman, and I were not around, why I should be in love with Julian. But what a fool I am talking to a beautiful woman about another man."

 

[kkt]

Worf was far better on DS9 than he ever was on TNG, and DS9 was better with Worf on it than it was before. Big thumbs up to Worf on DS9 and to Worf and Jadzia as a couple.

Can we also give thumbs up to the writers on DS9 who came up with most of Worf's character?

 

[kkt]

I didn't notice. What about Andrew Robinson's Garak was gay?

You won't find it layed out in black and white. It's subtle. Most obvious thing to me is that (at least in the United States, maybe other countries are different) heterosexual guys don't usually touch other guys on the shoulder the way Garak touched Bashir. That didn't seem like a "friendship" kind of a touch.

edit: typo

 

[Lynx]

Here's my take on the DS9 couples:

First of all, Star Trek has never been good in describing relationships. In TOS they wer almost non-existent and in the "Berman-era" series, different relationships often felt forced and artificial. However, I must say that DS9 was the series which handled relationships better than TNG and VOY.

As for the DS9 couples, I find none of them totally hopeless, offensive or unrealistic in any way. They were either good, or at least acceptable.

Worf and Dax feels like the most forced one. No real chemistry actually, just something the came up with because "there had to be a relationship among the main characters". Still, it never annoyed me and sometimes I found it quite OK.

Something similar with Bashir and Ezri actually. But I still think that one worked better.

Rom and Leeta was the typical "The Beauty and the beast" or whatever. Maybe it worked because it did seem so unrealistic. A beauty like Leeta falling for that little stupid Ferengi. Maybe that's why it actually worked.

Dukat and Winn. Even if I never was that fond of the whole Pah-Wraith thing and even if I found Dukat more interesting as a cardassian in charge, I do have a weak spot for the "nasty couple team up" thing. Not as good as the Culluh-Seska pair of VOY but still interesting and mean.

Odo and Kira. It was nice and sometimes I wish that Odo had stayed on the station with Kira, Oh well, maybe he returned after being tired of splashing around in The Great Link.

Sisko and Casidy. I actually felt bad for those two when the Prophets started to harass Sisko that he shouldn't marry Casidy. What gave them the right to do so?
Anyway, I never liked the end of the series when Sisko decided to stay with those Prophets. I hope that he returned to the station, continued to be Commander and that he moved in with Casidy in that house they planned to build on Bajor.

Quark and Grilka. Well, it couldn't last but it was actually OK and fun when it did.

Miles and Keiko. Actually a nice and normal couple. OK, Keiko could be a bit annoying sometimes but it was pretty much like a normal relationship between aman and his wife.

Garak and Ziyal. Oh I wish that Ziyal hadn't been killed off. I feel so sorry for Garak.

 

[STEPhon IT]

If he was so concerned about that, why wouldn't he simply have ordered the writers to take it down a few notches? (I don't mean he should have done that, Garak being gay would have been fine with me).

Also, in the Garak-Ziyal relationship, I always had the feeling that Ziyal was way more into Garak than Garak into her. To me, it seemed more like he simply enjoyed her attention or that he was glad to finally have a Cardassian face to talk to.

It would've been fine with everyone if this bullshit was true, since there were more Gay characters written in the 1990's than any era of TV, ALSO DONE through the studio PARAMOUNT who had more gay characters. If the intent was to make Garak gay they could have. This was Ira Behr retro-active history, I stated my case in another thread which spread that flat out bullsh*t lie.

Agreed! In the What we Left Behind documentary, they offer a half hearted explanation as to why they never explored Garak's sexuality. It was basically an apology for bailing on a critical story arc that the studio would not get behind...Garak was totally crushing on Bashir, and I had always hoped against hope that they would be a thing! As a Bi man, I truly hope that these relationships will be explored without radical agendas/bias in the future. Over-correction tends to divide, but love is love. I wish everyone would stop with extremes in either way, and allow beautiful story arcs to flourish. That is my two cents.

I never saw or interpreted this from the series I saw, Garak always felt like an unpredictable wildcard and he played that card to the very end of the series. He was presented as a person who the audience couldn't trust and never had homo-erotic impulses on Bashir. The 2 actors revisited their characters for a reading on youtube and didn't display a love fool expressionism. This is another example of retroactive thinking IMO.

 

[Lynx]

??? Garak/Ziyal. Absolute nonsense couple solely introduced because Rick Berman was terrified people would notice that Garak was gay.

Garak wasn't gay.

read the book A Stitch In Time, written by Andrew J Robinson.

There it is revealed that garak was very much in love with a woman named Palandine who garak had met at the Bamarren Institute where he began his education as a future security operative.

Garak's love for Palandine was one of reasons for him being exiled to Deep Space Nine.

He also had a deepaffection for Dukat's daughter Tota Ziyal.

https://memory-beta.fandom.com/wiki/Elim_Garak

 

[STEPhon IT]

It was Worf and Jadzia. He never seemed like he actually liked her and the whole thing was forced. Plus he was so annoying about the wedding and it felt like she spent the last two years of her life doing things that were solely to make him happy and he was miserly the entire time and then she died. At least in TNG he had a sense of humour and he and Deanna were great together.

It really felt the writers were doing a creative compromise on how to make Jadzia relevant since Terry Farrell was inept to memorizing Trek-nobabble; so her pilot duties became more and being the forced, and terrible, comic relief for the stories. The Worf thing was undesirable and weak, just because Jadzia had some connection with Klingon rituals and culture shouldn't mean she wanted to screw them as well. I agree with you, their relationship felt forced.

 

[Bad Thoughts]

Funny how people say that Dax-Worf was foisted on us because of the producers when both Farrell and Dorn admit they worked to make it happen.