Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x06 - "The Bounty"

[cooleddie74]

A whole lot of us forgot or pretended to ignore that all the appearances of Harry Kim after "Deadlock(VOY)" were of a spatial scission duplicate of Harry and not the original. Both he and Naomi Wildman are duplicates from that day forward. Picard in a golem body is nothing really all that new for Trek.

 

[Magistos]

Terry Matalas thinks of him as Picard, Patrick Stewart thinks of him as Picard. And we're science-fiction fans. Having a consciousness transferred into another body isn't exactly a radical, mind-bending concept.

To add another point to everyone else - the transporter is a thing.

And "Turnabout Intruder".

 

[Racefuel]

Like surge protectors on the bridge? (Or anywhere else on Starfleet ships, for that matter.)

Why do Starfleet bridges have "just in case" bins filled with rocks?

 

[Lord Garth]

You mean like having your conciousness gutted, copied and stuffed into a ships CMO, causing him to have manic depressive disorder and then having your body be returned to life as a mindless, instinctual battering ram only to have your old conciousness and spirit copy-and-pasted into the new-old body?

Interesting concept

What was that?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Would you prefer John Luck Pickard?

Picarhh is the proper French pronunciation.
And I don’t know about other countries, but the German dub has always had the d at the end silent. Pretty sure French dubs would also opt for actual French pronunciation.

And it wasn’t my impression that the family ever anglicized the name.

Maybe she speaks French like her Canadian father or at least has a familiarity with the language?

 

[fireproof78]

You mean like having your conciousness gutted, copied and stuffed into a ships CMO, causing him to have manic depressive disorder and then having your body be returned to life as a mindless, instinctual battering ram only to have your old conciousness and spirit copy-and-pasted into the new-old body?

Interesting concept

That would never work.

Or robot bodies with spirits from an ancient civilization transferring themselves in to a Vulcan body. Never works out...

 

[Racefuel]

What was that?

I dunno...stuff

 

[SJGardner]

I've said it several times before and I'm going to say it again: Picard's synth body could be a legitimate exploration of a concept that is already well known in sci-fi, and has been already touched upon in Star Trek: just look at how Data was granted personhood specifically because we are incapable of determining whether he has a soul and a consciousness or not. If it walks like Jean-Luc Picard, talks like Jean-Luc Picard and is even the only instance of Jean-Luc Picard in existence, then why would people deny him his identity as Jean-Luc Picard, especially when Q himself treated him as the real deal? If we cannot tell the difference, then it's pointless to make one.

So yeah, it's been my opinion ever since Picard's resurrection was first discussed and I'll keep saying it: his synth body would be universally accepted as a continuation of the original Picard, the continuity of his consciousness and the entire cast and the narrative treating him as Picard would be universally accepted as evidence for it, if only the showrunners were called Rick Berman and Brannon Braga.

 

[Racefuel]

I've said it several times before and I'm going to say it again: Picard's synth body could be a legitimate exploration of a concept that is already well known in sci-fi, and has been already touched upon in Star Trek: just look at how Data was granted personhood specifically because we are incapable of determining whether he has a soul and a consciousness or not. If it walks like Jean-Luc Picard, talks like Jean-Luc Picard and is even the only instance of Jean-Luc Picard in existence, then why would people deny him his identity as Jean-Luc Picard, especially when Q himself treated him as the real deal? If we cannot tell the difference, then it's pointless to make one.

So yeah, it's been my opinion ever since Picard's resurrection was first discussed and I'll keep saying it: his synth body would be universally accepted as a continuation of the original Picard, the continuity of his consciousness and the entire cast and the narrative treating him as Picard would be universally accepted as evidence for it, if only the showrunners were called Rick Berman and Brannon Braga.

Or Spock, for example. When Spock "remember'd" McCoy..he didn't stop being Spock..he was Spock until he died.

Then, when his body was reborn..he still somehow had a conciousness in the body on Genesis,etc..but McCoy had his "marbles".

So at one point there were ..1.5 Spocks around, yet the fandom doesn't call post TWOK/TSFS Spock "Fake Spock" or something.

Just seems to be NuTrek bashers who get hung up on everything.

 

[Mr Awe]

And I think there is a lot of truth to it as well. I look back on myself, after having kids, and I'm far more cautious, far more disagreeable with people who have a cavalier attitude towards safety and how my family can participate. Having kids changes a person, at least in my experience. I am not so easy going any more.

Ditto! For example, I used to love zipping around windy country roads in my sporty little car. One of my perhaps unwise activities. After my daughter was born, I could hear a voice in my head frequently telling me, "Be careful with M's dad!" I became much safer with my own activities after she was born.

Although, I still consider myself easy going. I'm not stressed over safety. And hopefully you can find a way to be easy going while still being safe.

 

[jaime]

I enjoyed the episode, I won’t lie, but I did find it a case of fanwank overdrive. Less is more with the callbacks. If you have too many it reinforces that sense of small universe syndrome and the sense there’s not much outside of the stories and characters we happen to see. It also cheapens the writing to me if it’s done to an excess; and I felt this veered dangerously into the unrestrained exuberance of fanfic territory.

It was saved by some good character scenes, although while I’m largely delighted to see the TNG cast finally back together, I can’t say I’m entirely happy to have Data (kind of) back given what felt like a moving and conclusive send-off not two seasons ago.

I thought it was confirmed that Vadic’s crew were also Changelings? If so, we’ve come a VERY long way from the days of “No changeling has ever harmed another.” She’s utterly barking mad and I’ve still to decide whether I love or hate the character.

How could the Genesis Device be at Daystrom? There was only one and it was blown up by Khan.

Why the heck are people suddenly pronouncing Picard as Picarhhh? I’m sure I heard Riker do it as well as Vadic.

I never believe in small universe syndrome, here’s why:
I bought a second hand book in Norwich. Turns out it was previously sold in one I frequent in London.
I spent four years working with someone at an after school kids thing — it later transpired they had worked with three members of my family forty-ish years ago, and had likely actually met me as a baby. Because various surnames have changed in the interim, it never came up.
We went to a museum, saw an old aircraft dredged out of a lake. Turns out my great uncle flew as a navigator on it.
It’s a bloody small world, even with 8 billion or so people on it.
I have experienced tons of coincidences like these.
(My wife and I could have met on two occasions prior to when we did, including being at the same tourist attraction most likely on the same day as children, despite being from different countries for instance.)

Most of the Easter Eggs in this episode make perfect sense (one of the places is literally a fleet museum) and even the more esoteric ones have explanations making it crystal clear in dialogue. (The raven and moriarty and the pop goes the weasel tune are all specifically created by in essence Data’s subconcious) We see the big events in Trek… of course those things are in the museum.

 

[Tuskin38]

From what I can read, since it's still blurry on Kirks panel..

"Starfleet officer James Tiberius Kirk (Serial number) was Captain of the USS Enterprise NCC-1701 on its historic five year (blurry) in 2265-2293 (?)". It goes on to discuss what I assume are various accolades. The last sentence looks like it discusses the events in Generations, assisting Captain Jean Luc Picard on Veridian III, his body was (something) by Project Phoenix.

a lot of the Kirk text was copy and pasted from EAS's page on the TOS characters with some changes
https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/database/tos-characters.htm

 

[Captain Shaw]

I would love an episode of just going round the ships in the museum.
Would love to know why they have Archer, Kirk and Picard's bodies.
wonder if they have got their hands on Rachel Garrett body.

 

[Mr Awe]

I don't think this story is going to be fully concluding with this season. I think whatever is being set up is kind of being developed as a MCU/Star Wars style multi-series/multi-generational storyline

Weeell, there are rumors of a Dominion War Aftermath series. One that deals with the aftermath in details that's been missing since the Quadrant shaking events in DS9. Perhaps they're setting up the Titan and Jack to be the leads in that? At the very least, they're clearly grooming these characters for something more.

 

[Captain Shaw]

Shaw is geeking out

When this is all over I would love a scene with those two just trying to fix the Titan.

 

[cooleddie74]

Apparently that's not Archer's body. According to a study of a screencap of the scene in question the readout references the "Arretan Android" from "Return to Tomorrow(TOS)," the humanoid android body seen in deleted footage from that episode and a shot from TOS closing credits that never appeared in the show.

 

[Racefuel]

I would love an episode of just going round the ships in the museum.
Would love to know why they have Archer, Kirk and Picard's bodies.
wonder if they have got their hands on Rachel Garrett body.

Remember the games back in the 90's like Starship Creator where you had the ability to "tour" the bridges of the TOS-E, the E-E, Enterprise-D and such?

I'd love a Starfleet Museum game like that today

 

[Ovation]

With respect to the Admiralty, that would not be a prudent course of action.
There are a number of ships out in space with access to a number of potentially dangerous technologies, and we had similar security breaches in the past that could have been avoided if the sensors were set to scan for those anomalies/threats from the get go.

The needs of the drama outweigh the needs of verisimilitude.

 

[trek.]

And I see Raffi dropped the "JL"...let's see if it continues throughout the season...

I'm glad that stopped for now. it's as bad as gen-z calling people "bae".

 

[fireproof78]

So yeah, it's been my opinion ever since Picard's resurrection was first discussed and I'll keep saying it: his synth body would be universally accepted as a continuation of the original Picard, the continuity of his consciousness and the entire cast and the narrative treating him as Picard would be universally accepted as evidence for it, if only the showrunners were called Rick Berman and Brannon Braga.

Amazing that you just have to live long enough to be vindicated by the fan base that reviled you.

The needs of the drama outweigh the needs of verisimilitude.

Or practicality.