Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x06 - "The Bounty"

[Noname Given]

In retrospect, everyone on DS9 were apparently just kept in some sort of weird bubble, being totally ignorant of Section 31.

Not at all. Again just because certain members of the Federation government and Starfleet Intelligence uses them; that doesn't make them common knowledge to anyone in the Federation who hasn't encountered them. Their cover story is there to protect the Federation government. It gives the Federation plausible deniability whenever one of their operations is exposed.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Hey I got the impression that these Changelings can't link, or they are not allowed to go home to the link until they have killed everyone in the Federation.

 

[Farscape One]

Yeah, they should have taken the one out of the USS Defiant - it's Romulan and less than 35 years old.

But then the '...Superior Klingon Technology..." line by Worf wouldn't have made sense.

That's not the original Defiant with the cloak because it was destroyed. The new one wasn't equipped with one. (At least, it was never stated in those last two episodes she was in.)

Was the replacement Defiant even fitted with a cloak?

Never stated on screen that it was. I doubt it would be anyway, because the reason for the loan to begin with is basically gone since the Dominion War is over.




Loved this episode. So many easter eggs. Ans seing those ships... just pure, utter glee.

And Data... my scifi idol is back, at least partly. My first thought was this undoes the beautiful final scene with him and Picard in season 1. (Which that scene alone justifies the existence of season 1.)

Then I realized Spock... even coming back in the next movie, that TWOK scene with Kirk still brings a single man tear or two to my eyes. So by that logic, this does not negate the Picard/Data goodbye scene.

Definitely will need to rewatch!

 

[Campe]

It’s going to amaze me if none of our characters ever aren’t changelings.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

In retrospect, everyone on DS9 were apparently just kept in some sort of weird bubble, being totally ignorant of Section 31.

S31‘s history is a bit weird.
They started out as completely unknown black ops during ENT, became a semi legit department of SI during Discovery, back to the shadows during DS9 with all traces gone unless you were very high up in Starfleet apparently back to being kinda known.

I my mind Julian Bashir eventually blew the whistle on them in the aftermath of the Dominion war.
With the way the war ended it was probably hard to keep the lid on things.
And at least involved officers and close associates talked…

 

[Jedi Marso]

After giving it some thought, I think marketing wise it was very odd to include Moriarty in the trailer.... Given his short (though effective) appearance, wouldn't it have worked a whole lot better if the audience had been surprised by him, as we were of Ro Laren of the Changelings, which were kept a secret to great effect..?

I think Moriarty's early reveal served their purposes as a misdirect. A lot of folks speculated that he would be the Big Bad this season, forgetting (as I did) that he was more an opponent of Data than Picard. By doing this, they were able to keep us in the dark far longer about who the bad guys really were. We saw nothing in the trailers (that I remember) that hinted of Changelings or the Dominion.

 

[vulcancicada]

Still feels like there is another higher-level villain if you watch the trailer for episode 7...

 

[Noname Given]

That's not the original Defiant with the cloak because it was destroyed. The new one wasn't equipped with one. (At least, it was never stated in those last two episodes she was in.)



Never stated on screen that it was. I doubt it would be anyway, because the reason for the loan to begin with is basically gone since the Dominion War is over.

1) The Dominion War definitely was notover even at the time they got the replacement ship.

2) Given that O'Brien and the engineering staff assigned to the original deviant had been supporting and repairing said cloaking device for years before the ships destruction by the Breen, I'm sure the Federation had enough knowledge to rebuild a Romulan cloaking device and install it into the USS Sao Paulo Paulo themselves at whatever Federation Shipyard it was built at. (Hell, it's possible they could have put the Phase cloak from the USS Pegasus project, since the Federation found out that design worked.)

 

[Jedi Marso]

Good ep.

Had to read about some of the things at the Daystrom Center as they went by so quickly I missed them.

Will we ever know what happened with Seven and Raffi?

IMO we can just ignore this tidbit completely and move on.

A beautiful scene with Jack and Seven about Voyager.

There was a bit of chemistry there. Does Seven have any cougar in her?

How fast does Vadic’s ship go as she had time to pu Troi (if it is Troi ) and make it back to the Museum?

As fast or faster than the Titan going from Daystrom to the Starfleet Museum and back with less than 48 hours until Frontier Day. Star Trek in all its incarnations has been terrible about this. The vastness of space is nothing against the speed of plot.

 

[XCV330]

In retrospect, everyone on DS9 were apparently just kept in some sort of weird bubble, being totally ignorant of Section 31.

Ross knew. It's reasonable that they wouldn't want others staffed that had had prior contact due to the delicate political nature. They were trying to win Bajor with the root-beer diplomacy.

Privately saying "We have an intelligence network that makes the Obsidian Order look like spoonhead jazz band" to Bajoran leadership probably would have won them over from day one.

 

[vulcancicada]

Nah they are putting Sidney and Jack together for some reason - seven and jack would be better in my (nearly-cougar-aged) opinion

 

[Magistos]

It’s going to amaze me if none of our characters ever aren’t changelings.

I completely agree. It will be a miracle if none of them are. Maybe they do a Riker fake out with Worf getting "him" back, and real Riker has to fight out from the Shrike himself.

I think Moriarty's early reveal served their purposes as a misdirect. A lot of folks speculated that he would be the Big Bad this season, forgetting (as I did) that he was more an opponent of Data than Picard. By doing this, they were able to keep us in the dark far longer about who the bad guys really were. We saw nothing in the trailers (that I remember) that hinted of Changelings or the Dominion.

I was thinking about this last night. It was beautifully done as a fakeout. The fandom ran with it like caffienated squirrels making Scrat look chill (including myself here).

 

[Lord Garth]

I just hit me. Complaining about fan-service is the new complaining about canon.

 

[TOMFAN]

After what we saw at Daystrom, I was expecting this at the end!

 

[Lord Garth]

S31‘s history is a bit weird.
They started out as completely unknown black ops during ENT, became a semi legit department of SI during Discovery, back to the shadows during DS9 with all traces gone unless you were very high up in Starfleet apparently back to being kinda known.

I my mind Julian Bashir eventually blew the whistle on them in the aftermath of the Dominion war.
With the way the war ended it was probably hard to keep the lid on things.
And at least involved officers and close associates talked…

Since PIC is a sequel, not a prequel, I'm going with the idea that the lid was blown wide-open by Bashir at the end of DS9 or shortly after. And that was in 2375. Picard's in 2401.

People are too used to prequels now. The complaints that apply to things that take place "before" don't apply to things that take place "after".

 

[thribs]

S31‘s history is a bit weird.
They started out as completely unknown black ops during ENT, became a semi legit department of SI during Discovery, back to the shadows during DS9 with all traces gone unless you were very high up in Starfleet apparently back to being kinda known.

I my mind Julian Bashir eventually blew the whistle on them in the aftermath of the Dominion war.
With the way the war ended it was probably hard to keep the lid on things.
And at least involved officers and close associates talked…

It’s best to just ignore Discovery when thinking about these sort of things.

 

[Magistos]

I hand wave Section 31 like the NSA. "No Such Agency", wink wink. Maybe it IS officially denied somewhere but half the people roll their eyes and talk about it anyway, and the others play along and pretend to not know.

 

[fireproof78]

S31‘s history is a bit weird.
They started out as completely unknown black ops during ENT, became a semi legit department of SI during Discovery, back to the shadows during DS9 with all traces gone unless you were very high up in Starfleet apparently back to being kinda known

I did not find them legit but just a little more willing to operate in the open. That proved an error to their purpose, and officially they were scrubbed. Unofficially, when useful they get used.

 

[eschaton]

Still feels like there is another higher-level villain if you watch the trailer for episode 7...

As I said in another thread, Matalas was clear that this season has three antagonists.

One is Vadic

Two is "skull dude."

Who is behind door #3?

 

[Campe]

Skull dude?

Captions call him “The Face.”