Poll Worst DS9 couple.
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Garak tortured Dukat's father into a confession, which then led to Dukat's father's execution. That was established in the very first Ziyal/Garak episode.
Hard to know if what Garak is saying is true, Dukat is just as bad with "subtext"; I'd rather see it than tell it.
While Sisko and Kasidy are a gigantic eye roll for me, I would have to go with Kira and Odo as being the worst DS9 couple. No racial reason, I just feel that Sisko wanted to relive what he had, but it was ultimately a sham. There was so much room for Sisko to find love, and they chose to reboot his ex-wife from another dimension? Lame. I have always thought that was lazy writing. Kira and Odo; I feel like this goes back to Heart of Stone for me. Yes, I get that Kira was a changeling in that episode, but it does nothing to change the series-wide discomfort I felt between Kira and Odo. Did not work for me. I would have rather seen Kira with Quark! What a fun bunch of episodes that could have been!
Best relationship; Worf and Jadzia Dax! Sue me, I loved these two.
Best relationship; Worf and Jadzia Dax! Sue me, I loved these two.
If he was so concerned about that, why wouldn't he simply have ordered the writers to take it down a few notches? (I don't mean he should have done that, Garak being gay would have been fine with me).
Also, in the Garak-Ziyal relationship, I always had the feeling that Ziyal was way more into Garak than Garak into her. To me, it seemed more like he simply enjoyed her attention or that he was glad to finally have a Cardassian face to talk to.
I had more fun with her threatening him.
It was Andy Robinson who was playing him that way, and they actually did. I guess Berman era Trek was Ok with dating 2-year-olds who looked 25, but decided to "say nay to gay".
It was a different time then, culturally. It wasn't even legal to date a member of your own sex in 13 states.
Agreed! In the What we Left Behind documentary, they offer a half hearted explanation as to why they never explored Garak's sexuality. It was basically an apology for bailing on a critical story arc that the studio would not get behind...Garak was totally crushing on Bashir, and I had always hoped against hope that they would be a thing! As a Bi man, I truly hope that these relationships will be explored without radical agendas/bias in the future. Over-correction tends to divide, but love is love. I wish everyone would stop with extremes in either way, and allow beautiful story arcs to flourish. That is my two cents.
I guess Berman era Trek was Ok with dating 2-year-olds who looked 25, but decided to "say nay to gay".
For all accounts and appearances, Kes seems a (admittedly barely) mature specimen of her species when she joins Voyager, so the factoid that she's 2 years old doesn't strike me as relevant. She's Ocampa and therefore human scales don't apply to her.
I'll have to take your word for it. I was a grownup back when DS9 was made, but in my country depiction of gay characters on TV wasn't too much of an issue (not saying such characters weren't stereotyped to some extent, but they weren't vetoed, which therefore feels essentially alien to me). At least, from my perception, I'm not gay myself so I cannot talk from their perspective.
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Where is: "All of the above" in that poll?
Star Trek from TOS to now has never written personal romantic relationships well, or pair characters thar have real romantic chemistry.
Star Trek from TOS to now has never written personal romantic relationships well, or pair characters thar have real romantic chemistry.
Worf and Dax mainly because I objected to him being a part of DS9. It was a shameless ratings grab and took DS9 a little bit away from being its own thing.
Rom and Leeta were cute.
Winn and Dukat served the end plot.
Odo and Kira's relationship was a blossoming beauiful, tragic thing.
My favourite overall is probably O'Brien and Keiko, although that of course started in TNG.
Rom and Leeta were cute.
Winn and Dukat served the end plot.
Odo and Kira's relationship was a blossoming beauiful, tragic thing.
My favourite overall is probably O'Brien and Keiko, although that of course started in TNG.
I find the relationship somewhat tolerable because it was so poorly defined. There is no indication that there was any intimacy between them, and Garak seemed to be more guarded with Ziyal than anything else.
However, the way they matured Ziyal to fit the narrative bothered me. Regardless of species differences, Ziyal 1.0 was just beginning adolescence. Ziyal 2.0 was older, but I could still see a character in the middle of her teenage years. Ziyal 3.0 was much older, very mature. Props to the actress, who was my favorite of the three, but the character was seriously retooled in order to fit the storyline they envisioned for her. It might have been more interesting if it were unrequited love.
Lt. Vilix'pran and he/she/its significant other. Budding 18 children on a deep space station in a dangerous area of space? Irresponsible! Plus they get larger quarters because of it while my man Miles doesn’t have space for his toys? Not cool.
What if it's normal for their species to have 18 children? Should Starfleet be telling them that family planning is mandatory? That's pretty intrusive compared to what employers are allowed to do in most places in the 21st century.
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