Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x06 - "The Bounty"
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Or her brain warped.
I did like the ship callbacks, but Lord, this episode was stunningly bad, and it culminates in "Super Data."
Holy hell.
Holy hell.
Getting around networked ships talking to each other basically screams pulling one or more out of the museum. That's your REASON for pulling out the Ent-D Saucer and a stardrive, not just "memberberry" reasons.
Honestly, I'm not suprised the current ships are networked. It would seem a natural thing for ships to constantly update each other when they can be out of range/in a time loop/whipped around the sun/who knows what.
Honestly, I'm not suprised the current ships are networked. It would seem a natural thing for ships to constantly update each other when they can be out of range/in a time loop/whipped around the sun/who knows what.
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The bulk of my enjoyment for this episode is that the gang was back together. Aside from that, it's a mess, an unholy mess.
[ shoots projections of disappointment from my eyes ]
[ shoots projections of disappointment from my eyes ]
DEANNA: Oh Will. Can't you just for once go easy on the pizza sauce? Two jars for one pie is a bit excessive... And where is my slice?
I expect them to use at least one of those older ships. I don't have a problem with the museum fleet. It's a museum. What do you expect? Don't answer that. And having ships that are off-network will make sense too, if the Changelings take over the whole fleet and it's networked.
The thing I have a problem with -- more accurately, it just bugs me -- is that skull thing Vadic keeps talking to. "But what about the Pah'Wraiths with Dukat on DS9?" I didn't really like that back in 1999 either. I was one of those people who wished Dukat died in "Sacrifice of Angels".
The thing I have a problem with -- more accurately, it just bugs me -- is that skull thing Vadic keeps talking to. "But what about the Pah'Wraiths with Dukat on DS9?" I didn't really like that back in 1999 either. I was one of those people who wished Dukat died in "Sacrifice of Angels".
Kirk wasn't beamed away in the end of Ashes, he was beamed away near the beginning of "The Return" the second Shatnerverse novel. But yeah, my first thought after seeing that scene made me immediately think of "The Return" and how he got resurrected.
Interesting, trivial nitpick - the dates for when Kirk commanded the Enterprise are given as 2264-2269 on the screen readout seen in this episode. This information comes from a source before "Q2" (a Voyager episode) where it was stated that the five-year mission ended in 2270.
I'm going to guess Kirk's remains were removed from Veridian III for the same reason the Enterprise-D saucer was removed. They didn't want the inhabitants of Veridian IV to discover them one day, after they'd achieve space-flight but before they'd be warp-capable.
I don't think Kirk's body being there is confirmation at all of the novels (imagine the real world rights issues and payout Shatner would demand/public outcry if he didn't get it). It was foreshadowing that Daystrom (and possibly 31) collected and maintained remains of the more famous and effective people in Starfleet (and the galaxy maybe) for god knows what reasons. Genetic research, cloning, whatever. So that when Data revealed Picard's remains were stolen it wasn't completely out of the blue.
And also to open the door to Prime Kirk returning outside of SNW via cloning or resurrection or whatever should producers choose to do so.
And also to open the door to Prime Kirk returning outside of SNW via cloning or resurrection or whatever should producers choose to do so.
16 pages in just eight hours. Now we're nerding.
Wanted a watercooler discussion kind of episode? We got it.
Wanted a watercooler discussion kind of episode? We got it.
The problem I have with that bit of logic is it should make it basically impossible for the Titan to hide. I can't imagine them getting to hang out for hours at the Fleet Museum if that's how things work.
I have to hand it to them, with so much of the first part of this season being predictable (Jack being Picard and Crusher's son was so cliche and despite the improbability of Crusher conceiving at her age, everyone saw it coming), I have no idea what changelings could possibly want or need with Jack Crusher and Picard's corpse to crash Frontier Day for.
The only clues we have are that Jack might be an augment, as irumodic syndrome does not explain his enhanced strength and speed last week, and MAYBE Picard's corpse still has nanoprobes (but Vadic could nab Seven, the xBs from S1 or even Jurati's Borg if she wanted those). And we still have no clue who Vadic's boss is and how he factors into this.
The only clues we have are that Jack might be an augment, as irumodic syndrome does not explain his enhanced strength and speed last week, and MAYBE Picard's corpse still has nanoprobes (but Vadic could nab Seven, the xBs from S1 or even Jurati's Borg if she wanted those). And we still have no clue who Vadic's boss is and how he factors into this.
Mixed views on this one.
Picard didn’t know where his body ended up? There wasn’t a proper funeral or whatever?
And there’s plenty of Borg tech. What’s so special about his body? Perhaps he had Borg command-level tech? Certainly someone else had the syndrome or it wouldn’t be named!
They really hand waved away Jack’s visions. Big dark secret goes away for no reason?
Didn’t grab me. Loved the nostalgia fleet. Is there a Galileo in the “A”?
Picard didn’t know where his body ended up? There wasn’t a proper funeral or whatever?
And there’s plenty of Borg tech. What’s so special about his body? Perhaps he had Borg command-level tech? Certainly someone else had the syndrome or it wouldn’t be named!
They really hand waved away Jack’s visions. Big dark secret goes away for no reason?
Didn’t grab me. Loved the nostalgia fleet. Is there a Galileo in the “A”?
Edited to add this since we were posting at the same time
No idea on Jack, but if the fleet has been using captured Borg tech from the Artifact and Voyager, could something from Locutus capture control of the technology? Some sort of "Speaker Protocol" akin to the Queen's Protocol? Just spitballing here.
It's an empty shell. People don't mourn in the future. Besides, Picard attending his own funeral would be strange.
My guess is now that they lied to him about where they took the body, and possibly Zhaban found out, and S31/Changelings killed him.
Which would mean that someone knew that Picard's body was valuable way back at the end of Season 1, which doesn't quite jive with this theft only having taken place months ago? Unless the Kirk cameo was to show that Daystrom just stores famous captain corpses for... reasons...
Vadic: Haha, we have evil zombie Picard crashing Frontier Day!
Shatner: It is I, zombie Kirk coming to stop your plans. I'd eat your brains Vadic, if you had any.
Shaw: Actually she does, these changelings still maintain their organs after being killed.
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