Unfortunately Nicholas Meyer and Joe Menosky didn't make it through the first season of DISCOVERY...
And, I didn't write that petition...
The Terry Matalas as Star Trek Showrunner Petition
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And, I didn't write that petition...
No one said you did. I am simply noting that the tone of praise and how it comes across, especially in text. The near constant congratulatory stance taken towards him, and his decisions. It's off putting, at best.
And it’s not all THAT different from what Paradise and Chabon have done. I’m sorry but it’s really not. At the end of the day: the characters used, the ships and the computer graphics are what’s different. If that’s what you like, great. Name it, stop holding Terry on a pedestal, enjoy what you’re getting and move on, hoping for something to continue what you’re loving with this. That’s what I did with SNW. But PIC season 3 not that much different than what’s come before. It’s unfortunate that that can’t be seen.
Up to 6,300+ now. And we still have 6 weeks of new episodes. Good pace.
I expect a big jump once Episode 9/10 air. I now know what happens in them... and it has the potential to really garner some attention from fans and audiences!
They simply don't have the same confidence in the other creatives involved in Nu Trek (Goldsman, Kurtzman, Michelle Paradise, Chabon etc) and their divisive seasons.
It's not deification, it's just praising the best showrunner from what we've been given. Keep in mind, these guys have seen the full 10 episodes.
I expect a big jump once Episode 9/10 air. I now know what happens in them... and it has the potential to really garner some attention from fans and audiences!
They simply don't have the same confidence in the other creatives involved in Nu Trek (Goldsman, Kurtzman, Michelle Paradise, Chabon etc) and their divisive seasons.
It's not deification, it's just praising the best showrunner from what we've been given. Keep in mind, these guys have seen the full 10 episodes.
"The best" comes across as deification. Again, the petition says he is "brilliant" and is the only one to save Star Trek.
If that's not deification, it's at least a messiah complex.
Yup, even the SNW cast (Anson, Rebecca and Peck) acknowledged that the fan support is what drove the decision to make it happen. Kurtzman initially wanted to move away from the pre-TOS era.
That 'Pike Spinoff' petition was a solid starting point.
He did pull off an amazing accomplishment that Alex Kurtzman, Michelle Paradise, Akiva Goldsman, Michael Chabon, and Henry Alonso Myers all didn't. I'm not going to let the perfect be the enemy of the good, and gatekeep how other people enjoying season 3 choose to express their satisfaction.
This. Exactly this. We are trying to hard right now and it's off putting. It's pushing people away from Star Trek because it's a "my way or no way" attitude in the fandom.
See above. It's having an unintended side effect of making him less interesting to others.
People have said the same about Chris Nolan, Kevin Feige, and many others. It's par for the course in genre entertainment for fandoms.
Whereas that would be all the more reason for me. Chabon was one of the reasons I was so excited about Picard - a writer whose books I loved was also a FAN and writing for my shows. Michelle Paradise and female showrunners/writers/directors in general - all the things people (mostly men) bitch about with Disco are what drew me back to Trek, made me hopeful about where it was going (like it could now live up to the promises it made to women and people of color way back when). But whatever. This is why we can't have nice things.
Yes, and I hold them on in extreme suspicion. It's not encouraging; it's frightening.
Indeed, Captain, indeed.
It's pushing you away, and perhaps the 3 others on here that regularly agree with you.
However, it's pretty effective at drawing in a ton of others.
It probably would have been less effective if it said Terry Matalas was just 'alright' and he's doing a 'decent' job with Trek. They needed a better sales pitch than that. Calling him the best showrunner of Nu Trek is a good start. And there are a lot that agree with that perspective.
Even..shockingly.. Redlettermedia
Like it, love it, sing from the fucking rooftops. But your CONSTANT putting down others work to praise Terry is not okay. In fact, he said as much in a video that you posted. That, I think, is most of our problems here.
No, it's not. It's elitist and smug and offputting because it allows no one else in to the club. Insulting people is not inviting.
The appeal to the majority will not work with me. The majority =\=right.
Exactly. It's the elitist attitude that rubs wrong, that Terry is the only right way.
Being told to "Shut up and get on board" has that effect.You're taking it all too personally
Guys, all this is coming down to is preference. At the end of the day, we all like Star Trek for why we like Star Trek. We all prefer the Treks we like and all have Treks we don’t. Passion is amazing. The issue is: ALL OF US, myself included, are taking our passion a little too seriously. Let’s take a page from Trek and actually celebrate our differences as opposed to arguing over it.
Sorry but the tone has been crystal clear. Disagreement is not tolerated.
I'm not silencing anyone. I will not silence myself.
True enough.
I'll sit back and wait when people come back to their senses and the newness of the most recent toy dies down. The cult of celerity is too much for me. That's a personal limit.
The majority aren't really arguing over anything. Look at the support for Picard S3 across all fronts.
It's a season where you have the extremes of Robert Meyer Burnett, Nerdrotic, Critical Drinker and that whole group in agreement with Jesse Gender, Trek Central, ...... and even Redlettermedia praising the season.
We're only 4 episodes in, but this is a promising start when it comes to a non-Divisive season of Trek.
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