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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"

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...And they could get back to a more "traditional" Star Trek. A starship exploring the galaxy.
Yeah, about that, Paramount+ already has that show in Star Trek Strange New Worlds. I doubt they want to have two live action Star Trek shows with that same premise. Hell, at this point they may not want two live action Star Trek shows at in production concurrently.
 
Disclaimer, one of those 1s was me, and it was an accident. My iPad screen scrolled suddenly and I hit the wrong damn thing. Was supposed to be a 10! Doh!

For the record, I loved it.
I had no doubt!
Would have cost money, but a flashback showing the battle of wolf 359 when Shaw was talking would have been neat.
That scene was perfect as it was, imho.
Now that we know people still smoke weed in the 25th century
do we now! They (perhaps) know what pot is, this doesn’t necessarily imply they smoke it.

Blazing Bev
what’s that?
 
Yeah, about that, Paramount+ already has that show in Star Trek Strange New Worlds. I doubt they want to have two live action Star Trek shows with that same premise. Hell, at this point they may not want two live action Star Trek shows at in production concurrently.
Not for the current cost.
 
Theyre aren't even hiding the fact they are just writing lines using today's slang now. It's not just the "pot" reference. "Dipshite from Chicago " is anither one. The jokes in Star Trek 4 and Zeframe Cochrane exchange in First Contact - where he said he's taking a "leak' and Geardi didn't get it cannot be written anymore. Because everyone talks modern now. I don't mind it. I just wished they used less of it . It sometimes pull me out of the story.
Star Trek has always used colloquial language of the times it was produced. In Star Trek we have Spock using the term "fly paper" TOS S1 The Corbomite Maneuver, and from TOS S1 The Squire of Gothos:

Kirk: "Yes - dipping little girls' curls in inkwells, stealing apples from the neighbors' trees, tying cans on - forgive me, Mr. Spock. I should have known better..."

So yeah the script writers writing character dialogue using colloquial English of the time the script was written is an old Star Trek tradition.
 
The one thing I find pretty amusing:
This is essentially a TOS movie, with the TNG cast.

Now, I did like the TOS movies a lot more than the TNG movies (or the nuTrek movies).

But still it's pretty weird a spin- off of TNG feels nothing like TNG or the TNG movies, but goes full 80s TOS movie :lol:
That's why I keep saying had they written Star Trek: The Next Generation like this back in 1987, I would have really enjoyed it a lot more.:angel:
 
Star Trek has always used colloquial language of the times it was produced. In Star Trek we have Spock using the term "fly paper" TOS S1 The Corbomite Maneuver, and from TOS S1 The Squire of Gothos:

Kirk: "Yes - dipping little girls' curls in inkwells, stealing apples from the neighbors' trees, tying cans on - forgive me, Mr. Spock. I should have known better..."

So yeah the script writers writing character dialogue using colloquial English of the time the script was written is an old Star Trek tradition.

They should start writing modern Trek using outdated slang to help with the verisimilitude. They should use credits to navy beans or dipping girls' curls in inkwells in dialogue on SNW next season.
 
Wow, I can say that I'm starting to like Shaw, now that I know some of his back story. Although the Wolf-359 Sisko-ish attitude towards Picard seemed a bit Deja-Vu, I suppose there could be a lot of people who have issues with Locutus/Picard.

Gave this a 9/10. Very thankful there was no Raffi in this episode.
 
Clearly I did miss it, as I'm not spending all my time in every single thread, every waking moment.

Furthermore, based on how that scene was written and presented, Vadic somehow being a fully fledged changeling makes little to no sense, unless maybe she's somehow been corrupted and thus stuck in solid state with a shapeshifting telecoms hand as her only link to the real changelings. Her being a less than "real" changeling could explain her handler's treatment of her, at least. Kind of... Maybe.
A full changeling wouldn't need a knife to cut off a hand

That would just be 1979 style in reverse pretty much though. And welding the sodding silly window shut xD
That's how the TMP refit worked - they still had the old SNW parts lying around, and Decker wanted them back :D

She's... a Skywalker?
There was a hidden Vader costume at the premiere... ;)
 
Wow, I can say that I'm starting to like Shaw, now that I know some of his back story. Although the Wolf-359 Sisko-ish attitude towards Picard seemed a bit Deja-Vu, I suppose there could be a lot of people who have issues with Locutus/Picard.

Gave this a 9/10. Very thankful there was no Raffi in this episode.

I've really enjoyed the Raffi-Worf interactions, but that said I think it'd maybe feel a bit out of place tonally compared to the rest of this episode if included.
 
Could have been better. Not terrible but also not what I was hoping for.
I agree. Allthough on paper it would be a very exciting episode (and many do seem to think it's very good), S3 of Picard is not really doing it for me, so far.

What I dislike about the first 4 episodes is the exaggerated hero worship we see (with LaForge being "a legend", people nagging a celebrity in a bar), but also the rather forced drama and the way the crew of the Titan is treated.

For the drama, I dislike that much of it did not grow from earlier seasons/movies but was invented for Picard S3 (much like Picard's S2 issues) or became a thing only during the episodes. Take the spat between Riker and Picard: it came suddenly in ep3 (rather out of character IMO) and it was immediately put aside in ep4. What was the point, other than to have cheap drama and stuff the episodes? What about Deanna and Will, whose relationship was fine in "Nepenthe", perhaps the best episode of Picard? Suddenly it has become a problem between them?
Shaw and Wolf-359 I get, at least that was a major event where one can see the resentment, and it also had some meaning over the course of the 4 episodes with Shaw acting on his emotions. It's a better callback to TNG, instead of viruses effecting the Ent-D that didn't exist during the run of TNG.

For the crew of the Titan, for me they are being marginalised on their own ship. I'm surprised that Burnett, who wants his starship crews to be "the best of the best", does not seem to dislike this part. In ep4, Shaw neglects his duty by not at least attempting to retake command (we don't see the doctors ruling him out, at least). His bridge officers, during ep 3 and ep 4, don't realise things that Jack and Beverly Crusher point out. They are not even consulted by Riker/Picard/Crusher afterwards, the old guys + the son are effectively running things while the Titan crew watches or goes through the motions. Even ensign Laforge (whose father is a legend...) does not get to do her job, which is piloting the ship (Picard does it instead). The ship's doctor has to be told by Beverly that the captain has an internal bleeding. All in all, for me it looks like the writers decide to make the ships crew look bad to elevate the old heroes + Jack, the latter getting Wesley Crusher vibes as the local genius. I don't like it. Quite a contrast to the competence of the Titan's crew in Lower Decks, or even the Dauntless' crew in Prodigy.

Then there is an old habit of Trek in general (though not The wrath of Khan), which is that there is a tendency to give the enemy all the advantages (like the Scimitar in Nemesis: massively armed + cloak + super weapon) and then they somehow have to turn things around anyway, and since the enemy has every advantage this is difficult to achieve in a believable way. In ep3, Vadic is so much on top of things that not only does she have a massive firepower advantage, she even manages to turn the Titan's meagre return fire into "friendly fire", crippling the ship. Yet in episode 4, suddenly the Shrike is helpless against Riker's asteroid attack. What photon torpedoes and phasers don't come even close to do, the asteroid accomplishes with the one hit.

So, in light of this, one wonders if the deflector isn't supposed to deflect objects like this, and if slinging mass with some speed at an opponent is so much more effective than using conventional weaponry, how come the tactical geniuses like Riker haven't been tossing rocks left, right and center at Borg cubes and Dominion armadas? If only the crew of the Valiant had thought of that, against the Dominion battleship.

Also, no Worf in ep 4, which is a shame.

On the plus side, I did like Shaw's character and the actor's performance. I just wish he hadn't been "Harriman'd" by the writers.

And there was at least tension and a feeling that the overall story is going somewhere, which is better than Picard S2 I guess.
 
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