Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"

[Citiprime]

Seven reffered to herself constantly as a Borg in Voyager and did so for pretty much the run of the show, the difference was she was an individual choosing to be part of a voluntary collective.

She also continues to go by her borg designation suggesting she still has strong ties to that identitiy.

Seven’s situation is different from Picard’s.

Seven was assimilated as a child. It would be the equivalent of a kidnapped kid that lived their entire childhood under an indoctrinated persona. Even after being freed from that, it’s not like children can slide back to who they’re really supposed to be after years of living under their kidnappers.

I take her keeping the name as not still feeling any sort of affection for the Borg, but being true to the confused identity she found while on Voyager.

What happened to Picard is to me totally different. His situation is the equivalent of a rape victim forced against their will to perform acts, and to shame him for it is totally misplaced anger.

 

[SAndrews10]

I like to think the holodeck power grid and allotments were redesigned after the holodeck simulation in Booby Trap. Starfleet saw how it helped save the day and in future ships it had its own independent system. Just my head cannon.

 

[Rahul]

I'll make it brief again:
Who would have ever thought that "rogue founders infiltrating Starfleet & stealing WMDs to destroy the Federation" would be a refreshingly low-stakes plot for Star Trek!

But seriously, this is pretty good television.

I also like that this is not "TNG characters fanwank galore" - it is it's own story, with legacy characters woven in, Worf didn't appear at all, and Riker & Beverly are a natural part of the plot. Not full-on TNG cast as expected from that trailer.

It's also interesting that the entire season so far is kind of a low-budget bottle show, with expensive looking ship vfx sprinkled in-between, but otherwise completely carried by the actors and characters. That's a new one for modern Trek.

 

[1001001]

I just want to add my agreement to those who say a Shaw/Seven series would have a lot of potential. The dynamics between those two are pretty intense. Not a romance, but a deep trusting friendship (which Trek does fairly well) would be good to explore.

And they could get back to a more "traditional" Star Trek. A starship exploring the galaxy.

 

[jackoverfull]

It's also interesting that the entire season so far is kind of a low-budget bottle show, with expensive looking ship vfx sprinkled in-between, but otherwise completely carried by the actors and characters. That's a new one for modern Trek.

as were season 1 and most of discovery?

 

[GeorgeKirk]

It occurs to me that Shaw and Captain Queeg from "The Caine Mutiny" are basically the same character—career officers who might've been promoted beyond their level of ability and are a bit out of their depth. The difference is that Queeg's officers resented him so much that they basically pulled back and let him fail, while the Titan's Starfleet crew would never dream of doing that, even if they don't like Shaw personally.

 

[Magistos]

He's a dipshit from Chicago, but outside this situation, we haven't really seen him in action.

I keep waiting to see if he's that type that is inevitably grumpy, a "dick" as Seven put it, but ultimately rather competent and takes his job seriously.

 

[Rahul]

as were season 1 and most of discovery?

Season 1 went to like ten different planets (Chateau Picard, the Borg cube, Federation headquarter, that Romulan planet, Freecloud, Rikers house, the Android planet, ...).

Season 1 of DIS was pretty ship-bound, but had two Federation bridge sets, all the Klingon stuff, Vulcan, Empress Georgiius ship etc plus that quarry that was an alien Chrystal world and a mirror universe planet. Season 2 had a different location every week. S3&4 I haven't seen.

In contrast, PIC S3 takes place almost entirely on standing sets so far - the Stargazer set (which got expanded by a few smaller rooms), la Sirena, one alien & a human bar and one room from chateau Picard. The only new thing I remember is the bridge of the Shrike, and that's a wee bit smaller than, say, the Klingon ship sets in DIS S1.

 

[Rahul]

He's a dipshit from Chicago, but outside this situation, we haven't really seen him in action.

I keep waiting to see if he's that type that is inevitably grumpy, a "dick" as Seven put it, but ultimately rather competent and takes his job seriously.

I like Shaw, but he's unrealistic as a Captain. A big part of a leadership role is social skills. This guy couldn't lead a homework group. His character makes more sense as kind of a specialist/expert in one field (e.g. engineering).

But alas, I enjoyed the performance, so I don't really care.

 

[Commander K]

I wonder why all the lower decks crew just hang out in the corridors in emergencies...
Headcanon suggests they maybe in a queue to use the communal bathroom as power to the flushing system in Individual quarters has been diverted to vital systems lol

 

[Haggis and tatties]

Great episode, non stop from beginning to end, i give it 9/10.......plus i will add 1 more point for not having that raffi charactor in it bringing the whole show to a grinding halt for me every time she appears on screen.

So 10/10.......can't wait until next week now, and that last happened way back with Voyagers run on cable way back in the 90s.

 

[The Commander]

Who is rating this 1/10? Was there nothing likeable in this episode for you? Not even a 4/10?

 

[Nerys Myk]

Could Vadic be Shinzon's mother? I know he is a clone but he had to be born somehow...

In a SF show? There is no need for a clone to have a flesh and blood or even a flesh and goo mother.

 

[fireproof78]

Who is rating this 1/10? Was there nothing likeable in this episode for you? Not even a 4/10?

IDIC.

 

[Tomalak]

Who is rating this 1/10? Was there nothing likeable in this episode for you? Not even a 4/10?

It'll just be a troll. There's literally four votes below 6/10.

And you know, Trek fans. There's probably someone who thinks Yesterday's Enterprise is hokey and City on the Edge of Forever is silly melodrama.

 

[fireproof78]

It'll just be a troll. There's literally four votes below 6/10.

And you know, Trek fans. There's probably someone who thinks Yesterday's Enterprise is hokey and City on the Edge of Forever is silly melodrama.

Must be?

 

[Lord Garth]

Must be?

Okay, what gives. Why did you give it a 1? Just kidding, just kidding! I know it wasn't you!

 

[fireproof78]

Okay, what gives. Why did you give it a 1? Just kidding, just kidding! I know it wasn't you!

Drat! Foiled again!

 

[slappy]

Great episode. I love Shaw even more and I didn't know that was possible.

 

[Tuskin38]

I like Shaw, but he's unrealistic as a Captain. A big part of a leadership role is social skills.

Jellico wasn't very personable either. Some captains are just hard asses.