Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"

[fireproof78]

Isn't the Star Wars Galaxy located in "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...."

We don't know when those events of Star Wars take place, and how far away from our Galaxy the Star Wars Galaxy is.

Better joke is calling Jack Crusher "a wannabe captain Jack." And then Jack can go, "Oh, Captain Jack Crusher. I like the sound of that."

Yes, they do. But a starship captain? Moreover, the captain of one of Starfleet's better-known vessels? One wonders how someone with that profile could slip through the cracks.

Organizational need.

First Contact shows it can happen yes.

And Starfleet did it's darndest to keep Picard away but he defied orders (insubordination) and went anyway. Shaw is in the same ship.

 

[Yistaan]

Isn't the Star Wars Galaxy located in "A long time ago in a galaxy far, far away...."

We don't know when those events of Star Wars take place, and how far away from our Galaxy the Star Wars Galaxy is.

What I meant was did Starfleet officers watch Star Wars as kids? I'm guessing Pike at least did as he watched other sci fi movies.

 

[Tuskin38]

I wonder of Tom Paris would have been an OT Star Wars fan. Seems like he might have been. Star Wars was inspired by the pop serials like Captain Proton.

 

[fireproof78]

I wonder of Tom Paris would have been an OT Star Wars fan.

Definitely strikes me as a Han Solo fan.

 

[Hawku]

He was so pissed after the LD group crank-called him, he grabbed a taxi shuttle and went looking for them. He didn't find them, but as long as he was out of the house.....

Got frustrated every time the driver stopped to drop off another passenger, so he just got out anywhere.

That last scene with Jack… if Beverly’s second child is also some sort of extra-special chosen one… just no.

Maybe he's an evil chosen one. The opposite of Wesley.

 

[StewMc]

lol also I think it was Tuvok on one early VOY ep stunned the entire bridge with a hand phaser

The lack of a wide angle stun isn’t just limited to modern Trek either. Imagine how quickly The Siege of AR-558 could have been over if Tuvok and his phaser had been there. And to be fair I remember jokes about that back in the day.

It has to be put in the same suspension of disbelief category as “why don’t they use the transporter on a shuttle when the main transporter goes down?”

 

[cooleddie74]

I liked Beverly more in this episode than in the first three. Jack as well.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

RIKER: Divert all power from life-support!
LAFORGE: Hey! I just remembered the story that Captain Montgomery Scott used a couple of hand phasers to put a shuttlecraft in orbit. My dad was telling me. We've got hundreds on board! We could use them and keep life-support running!
RIKER: Nah. Let's just be morose and die.

 

[cooleddie74]

Riker has yet to throw his leg over a chair in his inimitable style. Until that happens this isn't real Trek.

 

[Noname Given]

Life support has its own deck (?)

Picard navigates through the asteroids just like he did in Booby Trap

And since Ensign LaForgery didn't turn to dust, and remained in shape, did they just stun her?

The "Life Deck" is where all the escape pods and shuttles are for the majority of the crew. When told to abandon ship: unless your in an area that has assigned escape pods, that's where you go.

(Shaw even mentions the "Life Deck" of the ship he was on in the Battle of Wolf 359 in the Holo bar scene.)

It's also probably got backup life support systems; so when the ship's computer says:

"Life Deck offline..."

It's an indication that yes, ALL the ship's life support systems are dead.

 

[Yistaan]

I liked Beverly more in this episode than in the first three. Jack as well.

Her reasoning for hiding Jack as stated still makes little sense, especially when you note that Riker's and Troi's son was outright raised on a starship. She struck me as someone who clearly didn't want to be in a relationship with Picard and basically demonized his lifestyle instead of saying that, and nothing in this episode really contradicted that (not wanting to be in a relationship with someone doesn't preclude being civil or working together on matters of importance). Keep in mind she didn't just cut off Picard, but literally anyone connected to Picard presumably to avoid their potential judgment on hiding Picard's son from him. That's going far beyond keeping her son safe.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, Beverly has not been in a good place since the events of NEM. It's really sad.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Ensign LaForgery

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, Beverly has not been in a good place since the events of NEM. It's really sad.

Fear of loss will do that to a person.

 

[eschaton]

Riker has yet to throw his leg over a chair in his inimitable style. Until that happens this isn't real Trek.

Is Frakes even capable of the Riker Manuver any longer? He's getting up there.

 

[cooleddie74]

A REAL RIKER WOULD AT LEAST TRY.

 

[Charles Phipps]

You seem to be missing the point of what I said in the reverse direction. It was never established that Jack Crusher was as old as Picard as before, and the implication was always he was a bit younger if he served under Picard in the Stargazer, roughly the same age as Beverly.

Even if Jack started Academy at 13 years old like Kelvin Chekov (assuning Kelvin Chekov took 4 years) and immediately hung out with upperclassman Picard, he'd still be 11 years older than Beverly.

If Jack is 23 or 24, that'd put his birth between Insurrection and Nemesis. I mean if you take the exact words of Picard dialogue you could probably forcibly fit this somehow but the entire seeming intention of the circumstances of Jack's birth seemingly put it after Nemesis and it stretches plausibility to the extreme that Beverly hid a pregnancy and then Jack's birth and then the infant himself between Insurrection and Nemesis.

No, I'm saying that Picard could have gone to the academy at an older age. Remember, he failed the first time he applied.

 

[Noname Given]

To be brutally honest, I like that it doesn't have to do with the Dominion. I was wondering what the Hell was Shaw's problem with Picard. Now, it unfortunately makes sense.

I feel like Shaw should know better than this. Especially since he has Seven as a First Officer. He's got some type of hypocrisy going on with him. Can't wait to see how he seems to mentally compartmentalize things. He's probably insisting that she be called "Commander Hansen" because he wants to forget she's a Borg.

His choosing 7of9 for his Exec and then forcing her to use Hansen and demeaning her make more sense in that (and I'll be charitable and say the desire to do so is more subconscious than overtly conscious, although yeah, it seems a very conscious choice to me) Shaw sees her as a stand in for all the Borg that killed his shipmates at Wolf 359, andvnoe he can now get back at the Borg via what he does to 7.

That said, IF 7of9 is aware of his career history, why would she accept the position?

 

[Noname Given]

Only thing I found weird is why did the changeling use a bucket the exact same design as Odo’s?

Say it with me:

Memberries...mmmmmm.

 

[cooleddie74]

Now it's eerie to picture Shaw and his friends scrambling for escape pods while at the same moment on the other side of the battle Benjamin Sisko and Jake are being pulled to another escape pod as they're forced to leave Jennifer's dead body in the wreckage of their own doomed ship.