Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x04 - "No Win Scenario"

[Jarvisimo]

Incredible episode!!!

Was foolish to quickly read the comments on Jammer's Reviews…. Those guys apparently saw a Code Of Honor, Sub Rosa-level episode…………

Glad to see the episode get the deserved recognition here..!

What are you talking about? there are two critical people, and then everyone else is pretty middling to *very* happy? And everyone kind of are making the same points as here, positive and negative...

Overall, a really nice episode, although these changelings are not a patch on their predecessors so far (nor Starfleet as competent as it was in the past at dealing with them). It does make me really miss Salome Jens and René Auberjonois so so much.

 

[Dukhat]

And? They will never stop hunting.

"People can be very frightened of change."

You seem to think I’m against people looking for nostalgia for some reason. Not sure why.

 

[Romulan_spy]

Dave Cullen has a really nice spoiler review of this episode. His only criticism is the F bomb which he feels was out of place but otherwise praises the episode. He also says that the next episodes, 5 & 6, are even better.

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[fireproof78]

You seem to think I’m against people looking for nostalgia for some reason. Not sure why.

No...? What makes you say that?

 

[Campe]

If Gene Roddenberry could have dropped an occasional F bomb in Star Trek, I bet he would have. Certainly would have had gratuitous sex and nudity if he could have gotten away with that.

 

[Magistos]

If Gene Roddenberry could have dropped an occasional F bomb in Star Trek, I bet he would have. Certainly would have had gratuitous sex and nudity if he could have gotten away with that.

Bill Theiss tried to come as close as possible, and admitted it, for TOS costume design. He wanted people wondering if an article of clothing was going to fall off and how it was staying on.

 

[Yistaan]

So if it's still unclear if Vadic is a changeling or has some kind of changeling gauntlet, who is her boss? Not Odo obviously, but the amount of named changelings on DS9 were so few that it could probably only be Laas, or a new changeling altogether.

 

[fireproof78]

If Gene Roddenberry could have dropped an occasional F bomb in Star Trek, I bet he would have. Certainly would have had gratuitous sex and nudity if he could have gotten away with that.

Yup. Swearing is normal human behavior, and as censorship rules loosened Trek used it more.

 

[Campe]

Bill Theiss tried to come as close as possible, and admitted it, for TOS costume design. He wanted people wondering if an article of clothing was going to fall off and how it was staying on.

That’s called titillation. The story is that Theiss had to have double-sided tape at the ready to make sure Roddenberry could only move things so far. But titillation is not sex. Nor is it really nudity.

 

[El Maestro]

I enjoyed this one a lot...good characterization and a nice Trek story. The characterization is good because it hold true with what is already established about the characters but they are not exactly the same as they were; I can believe that the TNG crew would have evolved into these people.

Not bothered by the swearing. It's a silly criticism.

Shaw's monologue was great...I have one small quibble with it. Shaw, like all of Starfleet—especially, senior officers—should know how the Borg work. They should all be familiar with their methods and how unstoppable they were early on. He has to know JLP wasn't responsible for his actions, right? I can totally buy PTSD and I can totally buy survivor's guilt. It would be more believable for me though if there was a line to the effect of, "look I get it wasn't you but when we saw Locutus it was your face and I still see Locutus's face when I look at you and maybe that's not fair but I can't get past it."

I am not sure how Jack will connect to the rogue founders (or whatever we're calling them). It seems odd for the big bad to be a DS9 thing? Picard and the Enterprise were conspicuously absent from the Dominion war arc so to choose them as "the thing from the past that comes roaring back with big complications and huge impacts for everyone" is a slightly odd choice to me but I'm willing to see where it goes.

 

[Yistaan]

I enjoyed this one a lot...good characterization and a nice Trek story. The characterization is good because it hold true with what is already established about the characters but they are not exactly the same as they were; I can believe that the TNG crew would have evolved into these people.

Not bothered by the swearing. It's a silly criticism.

Shaw's monologue was great...I have one small quibble with it. Shaw, like all of Starfleet—especially, senior officers—should know how the Borg work. They should all be familiar with their methods and how unstoppable they were early on. He has to know JLP wasn't responsible for his actions, right? I can totally buy PTSD and I can totally buy survivor's guilt. It would be more believable for me though if there was a line to the effect of, "look I get it wasn't you but when we saw Locutus it was your face and I still see Locutus's when I look at you and maybe that's not fair but I can't get past it."

I am not sure how Jack will connect to the rogue founders (or whatever we're calling them). It seems odd for the big bad to be a DS9 thing? Picard and the Enterprise were conspicuously absent from the Dominion war arc so to choose them as "the thing from the past that comes roaring back with big complications and huge impacts for everyone" is a slightly odd choice to me but I'm willing to see where it goes.

If you combine the Wolf 359 thing with Shaw 's disdain for what he feels is Picard's command style, I think Shaw legitimizes his dislike of Picard by saying that Picard's recklessness is what got him assimilated in the first place (and if you look at the petty squabbling etc. between Shelby and Riker in BOBW 1, he wouldn't be entirely wrong). Now Picard recklessly endangered Shaw's ship and crew, no Borg to blame now, and Shaw in some way feels vindicated to aim the blame at Picard.

 

[fireproof78]

He has to know JLP wasn't responsible for his actions, right? I

How much do you know but still have an emotional reaction to?

 

[El Maestro]

If you combine the Wolf 359 thing with Shaw 's disdain for what he feels is Picard's command style, I think Shaw legitimizes his dislike of Picard by saying that Picard's recklessness is what got him assimilated in the first place (and if you look at the petty squabbling etc. between Shelby and Riker in BOBW 1, he wouldn't be entirely wrong). Now Picard recklessly endangered Shaw's ship and crew, no Borg to blame now, and Shaw in some way feels vindicated to aim the blame at Picard.

Fair enough! I don't think JLP's command style was responsible for what happened in BOBW though. He didn't do anything reckless and at the time there was no indication or any reason to think the Borg would do what they did. Wasn't Shelby the reckless one? I might not be remembering accurately.

 

[El Maestro]

How much do you know but still have an emotional reaction to?

Right, exactly, which is why I thought there could be a bit more nuance.

 

[The Rock]

If you combine the Wolf 359 thing with Shaw 's disdain for what he feels is Picard's command style, I think Shaw legitimizes his dislike of Picard by saying that Picard's recklessness is what got him assimilated in the first place (and if you look at the petty squabbling etc. between Shelby and Riker in BOBW 1, he wouldn't be entirely wrong). Now Picard recklessly endangered Shaw's ship and crew, no Borg to blame now, and Shaw in some way feels vindicated to aim the blame at Picard.

Shaw's belief that Picard was reckless as captain of the Enterprise makes me laugh, because if Shaw thinks Picard was reckless then I don't even wanna know what Shaw thinks about James T. Kirk. Picard was way more diplomatic as captain than Kirk was. WAY more. So this idea that Picard was reckless (especially when he always asked the rest of his posse for options on how to solve a problem or situation) is beyond laughable.

 

[Tuskin38]

So why when the shrike moved forward outside the nebula was there a holographic word plate that popped up in front of it that said Daystrom. Anyone notice that?

They ejected the portal weapon from the ship, it was from Daystrom. That was a hull panel not golographic.

 

[fireproof78]

Shaw's belief that Picard was reckless as captain of the Enterprise makes me laugh, because if Shaw thinks Picard was reckless then I don't even wanna know what Shaw thinks about James T. Kirk. Picard was way more diplomatic as captain than Kirk was. WAY more. So this idea that Picard was reckless (especially when he always asked the rest of his posse for options on how to solve a problem or situation) is beyond laughable.

Why? Shaw wasn't there. All he has is after action reports, and a lot of crises, since, you know, they are the main characters of a show. Except Shaw doesn't know that.

Laughable maybe from our perspective but is Shaw us?

 

[FredH]

I very much liked the touch of the James Horner theme as the Titan starts powering its way out. Wouldn’t have minded hearing some more of that.

 

[Enterpriserules]

I think the thing I am racking my brain trying to figure out, what is calling to Jack, what is going on with him and why do they want him so badly?

 

[Yistaan]

Shaw's belief that Picard was reckless as captain of the Enterprise makes me laugh, because if Shaw thinks Picard was reckless then I don't even wanna know what Shaw thinks about James T. Kirk. Picard was way more diplomatic as captain than Kirk was. WAY more. So this idea that Picard was reckless (especially when he always asked the rest of his posse for options on how to solve a problem or situation) is beyond laughable.

If Shaw's dinner speech was anything to go by, I wouldn't be surprised if he wasn't a fan of Kirk at all. He strikes me as more of a Jellico kind of guy.