Spoilers Did Picard finally ''right the ship'' with Picard season 3?
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To leap forward means you need a secure base to leap from. A balance between looking and learning from the past and striving for the future.
I've heard of thatSo… the present?
Nostalgia just ain't what it used to be.
See my last post on the previous page. Nostalgia has always sold.
It’s a lot more apparent nowadays. How many reboots or continuations are there out there of shows from a decade or two ago? My god, there’s barely an original idea anymore. I mean, there doing a new season of Frasier!
Netflix is having problems (it's hemorrhaging subscribers):
https://www.cnn.com/2022/07/19/media/netflix-earnings/index.html#:~:text=Netflix reported Tuesday that it lost 970,000 subscribers,the streaming giant would lose two million subscribers.
They've cancelled too many hits. Too many one-season wonders.
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People have to actively stop watching these. The studios have to think they'll make more money off something new than something old. Which won't happen until the number of people who are sick of old things reaches critical mass. I believe this will happen. Movies and TV as we currently know them will tank and they'll be forced to go in a different direction to survive... So they'll take chances on things that are original and experimental. Until they find the next thing that works and they'll try to make everything just like that.
Another reason why I think hate-watchers are shooting themselves in the foot. They're contributing to the success of what they claim to hate, because views are views and attention is attention.
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This is basically TNG Season 8. I am here for it enthusiastically.
Do not presume to speak for all Trek fans. Gatekeeping is not a good look.
It really isn't.
I agree. It’s not even close. I don’t think you can even call it a “5th TNG movie.” It’s way too far removed and very much its own unique thing at this point.
I think this is why I do like the Animated shows the most. Lower Decks is a comedy, but that is very different from what Star Trek did before. Yeah there are references, but it's its own unique thing. I like Prodigy because it kind of shows the outsiders perspective of the Federation. Yeah Janeway guided them in that direction, but this crew of former prisoners had nowhere to go and they are being fed this bill of goods and they are hesitant at first. I think that is nice we get to see a perspective like that. It might be a show for young children or teens, but it's treading new ground in a way that keeps me coming back.
This is where the goatee kicks in.
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I'm beginning to realize there is a great divide at the first principles level between pro-NuTrek and anti-NuTrek people. We discuss the franchise in different silos with little overlap. There is a fundamental difference of opinion over what "real Star Trek is".
For me, the whole drawing point to Star Trek is it:
- being an allegorical science fiction action adventure franchise set in a canonically interconnected shared universe
- based on the principles of secular humanism from 1960's new frontier modernist liberalism
- treating each era as a period piece, with verisimilitude and timelessness adding as much realism as possible
- the ships, the lore, the different species, the geopolitical situation reflecting 19th century Europe
- the "nautical but nice" way Starfleet is organized.
The Abramsverse trilogy took the franchise in a more populist, Star Wars-ish direction. Kurtzman era is, well, open to much greater debate.
Based on Sci's analysis, I'd argue there's a four quadrant model of Star Trek at present, revolving around canonicity (being informed and bound by what came in the past) and revisionism (different approaches well outside the 1966-2005 guardrails).
PICARD seasons 1 and 2 are canonical, but revisionist. DISCOVERY and SNW are both uncanonical and revisionist. While LOWER DECKS and PRODIGY are canonical, but somewhat revisionist in format. Next you have something like THE ORVILLE, which is uncanonical but non-revisionist to Star Trek.
PICARD season 3 could be the first canonical, non-revisionist season of Star Trek produced since ENT season 4.
That's why so many anti-NuTrek people are excited. There is a segment of the fanbase that wants to see what comes next after everything established in TNG/DS9/VGR. PRODIGY is doing this a bit by
working with slipstream drive and Borg transwarp conduits
But for many, "taking the franchise forward" means moving forward in time from "What We Leave Behind", "Endgame", and NEM while using the pre-established canon and organizing principles.
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Yes, and it needs too. I'll use TNG as an example. Roddenberry wanted to avoid a lot of TOS connections, so we had a lot of ups and downs in TNG Season 1, but it was trying some new things too, with new aliens, and different strange beings. It had Klingons as allies of the Federation, but still somewhat separate. And it didn't act beholden to TOS for continuity. It felt free to do it's own thing. And Star Trek is best when it is free to do it's own thing (TOS, TNG, DS9, Abrams).
People may love the canon and continuity, but that's not all Trek is. It is a sandbox, not a paint by numbers picture.
Aah I think we are taking different meanings from "beyond". I meant moving forward from in time, whereas I think you mean moving beyond canon & guardrails. Will edit the post for clarity.
I don't think the camps will ever be able to agree. But maybe we can come closer to agreeing on why we might be disagreeing?
"First principles"?
Perhaps there's something to the fabled Trek "Holy Wars" after all.
Haha in this case I meant more from philosophy. My research methods course was very theory heavy, and I kinda apply it to everything in life now"First principles"?
Perhaps there's something to the fabled Trek "Holy Wars" after all.
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