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Perhaps the first starship with a transwarp conduit, capable of travelling and exploring beyond our galaxy.
Spoilers Did Picard finally ''right the ship'' with Picard season 3?
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Fingers crossed for Enterprise-F.
Perhaps the first starship with a transwarp conduit, capable of travelling and exploring beyond our galaxy.
We are one episode into S3.
Having said that, I don't think Picard has "righted the ship," mostly because I don't think the ship was fundamentally off-kilter. I think S1 was wonderful. It had its flaws, but its fundamental premise and most of its execution of that premise was excellent, and the majority of complaints about S1 stemmed from fans who had bad taste. With both S2 and S3, I have objections to fundamental parts of the premises -- the Picard/Soji relationship should have been the cornerstone of the entire series after S1, for instance. The execution of S2's premise had more problems -- there were more dangling plot threads and arbitrary creative decisions than there should have been, but I do think it holds together better than some give it credit for. S1 was an A+; S2 is a B+. I'm waiting to see how S3 will execute its premise, though I will say that I just fundamentally don't agree with turning Picard S3 into a Next Generation story.
Having said that, I don't think Picard has "righted the ship," mostly because I don't think the ship was fundamentally off-kilter. I think S1 was wonderful. It had its flaws, but its fundamental premise and most of its execution of that premise was excellent, and the majority of complaints about S1 stemmed from fans who had bad taste. With both S2 and S3, I have objections to fundamental parts of the premises -- the Picard/Soji relationship should have been the cornerstone of the entire series after S1, for instance. The execution of S2's premise had more problems -- there were more dangling plot threads and arbitrary creative decisions than there should have been, but I do think it holds together better than some give it credit for. S1 was an A+; S2 is a B+. I'm waiting to see how S3 will execute its premise, though I will say that I just fundamentally don't agree with turning Picard S3 into a Next Generation story.
By that reasoning, all of Star Trek from 1966-2005 could be the real deal, with DISCOVERY and SNW then being in-universe fiction...
The 1990's in "Future's End" has an easy explanation. PICARD season 2's 2024 has ships in the solar system, treaties about genetic engineering, and files about Khan.
We aren't talking about fragmented history from several centuries ago. It would be like trying to redo the history of the 1960's... we have physical records, people from that time are still alive, there's video...
PICARD season 3 is supposed to follow up on several events from the TNG era, and potentially TOS. How can they foreshadow/call back if all of our knowledge coming in is from an unreliable narrator? Why have a serialized arc at all if it can just be changed on the fly?
I'm not arguing everything Star Trek from 1966-2005 fits together 100%. But it comes really close at over 99%.
Yes. extra-galactic or multiverse exploration is probably the next step for Star Trek, especially now that they have the proto-warp and quantum slipstream. That seems like a good concept for the 25th century going forward.
Some fans seem to have really liked season 1. Others despised it. Perhaps that season was mis-calibrated, and oversampled a more narrow segment of the fanbase? It's better to have a majority of the fanbase think something is great, instead of fragmenting it and then antagonizing a sizable block. I think far more people will think season 3 is "great" than season 1. Bad taste or hang-ups alone can't explain the negative reaction to season 1. And the show already pivoted away from many of those issues in season 2.
An interview from a few days ago with Doug Drexler and Dan Curry. A sign that this season really is "righting the ship".
Yup.
And even if we know historic events, dramatizations still chsnge things. So, no i dont take it as literal history.
Because the characters in that moment matter far more. I'm not watching a story to create an historic analysis. I'm watching it for enjoyment.
Mileage will vary.
And alienating people.
True, but at the same time the Abramsverse trilogy, DISCOVERY, SNW, and PICARD season 1 all alienated fans as well.
PICARD season 3 looks to be more open to the people that like the canon/history/lore, the ships/design ethos, the tone, and more established in Berman era Trek.
So did TNG. And TWOK. It's nothing new and the "righting the ship" language tells people their wrong in their tastes. Not exactly inclusive.
My grandfather had a saying...
"You can please some of the some of the time but you can't please all of the people all the time."
Words to live by.
"You can please some of the some of the time but you can't please all of the people all the time."
Words to live by.
This thread already has posts telling people that didn't like past NuTrek efforts that they have bad taste and stupid hangups.
If Kurtzman Trek is supposed to have shows with very different tones catering to different people, why not have a show catering to the Berman era fans (who have a large overlap with TOS fans)?
Art in a nutshell.
You can. Don't expect everyone to agree or share in the enthusiasm.
It's like back in high school. My friends would overhype a movie, or music or shoe and have no regard for how someone might feel with the hard sell. It creates resentment to a small degree because the emotion isn't shared and the show doesn't live up to the hype.
Just my view. I've spent years discussing Trek and being told I'm in the minority for liking TOS, or not liking TNG. I eventually made peace that I can like parts, but nothing will get me to the hype. It's worn out its welcome.
I can see that. For me, I just don't get why people would hype multiple seasons of DISCOVERY for example. The fandom has fractured into different silos. With YouTube and Reddit, you don't even have "a" BBS or general site that everyone comes to for news anymore.
If you had told me 15 years ago that there would be a new season of Star Trek with Patrick Stewart and Jeri Ryan in 2020 -- but I would dread watching it to the point that it be three years old by the time I would even try seeing it, I wouldn't have been able to comprehend what the problem could have been.
Let's say you hated most of the live action Star Trek of the last 15 years. And suddenly there was a new season that hit all your bases for what you like in the franchise. First there's disbelief. Robert Meyer Burnett claimed what? How is that even possible? Then other people preview the season and say RMB is right, and it actually is good. Then the first episode airs, hits you in the "feels", and suddenly you're starting to believe it really is possible.
The fallacy is this is a new problem.
And I'm not in it for "the feels." So, that doesn't appeal either.
Again, I cognitively understand the desire for a show you like. I just am not fussed if I don't like it.
Fair enough. In the last month I watched the original ABC seasons of TWIN PEAKS. Now I'm watching the Showtime revival season. Is it a great show? Yes. But I'm sure it would have hit much deeper if I was a Peaks fan from back in the 90s.
Fandom is about having a deep passion for something. It's not just a TV show you like enough to say own on disk. Many Star Trek fans have decades invested into the franchise, so if a season is bad, they will really hate it. And if great, they will really love it.
Just look at the reaction "Star Wars Theory" had when Luke was in MANDALORIAN...
Been a fan since I was 8. But I learned not to waste my time on hate. Probably from some silly TV show I watched...
Does it? You really want to go there? Stuff from 1966 doesn’t even fit with other things from 1966.
Trek is NOT a “period piece”. Never was, never will be (because fictional future).
Fandom is self selecting. Requires no approbation from anyone else. “I’m a fan” is sufficient.
Enjoying a shift in tone and direction of a show? Totally fine. Labeling it as “righting the ship” (thus implying anyone who enjoyed the earlier seasons isn’t a “real fan”)? Fuck that noise.
Fandom is self selecting. Requires no approbation from anyone else. “I’m a fan” is sufficient.
Enjoying a shift in tone and direction of a show? Totally fine. Labeling it as “righting the ship” (thus implying anyone who enjoyed the earlier seasons isn’t a “real fan”)? Fuck that noise.
Yep.
Put it much better than I have. Thank you!
Sure. I said that 99% of the Star Trek produced between 1966 and 2005 fit together. That offers the qualifier that about 1% doesn't fit together. When you add up all the hours produced, that is an amazing creative accomplishment in building out one of the largest shared universes in genre history.
It fits together remarkably well, no doubt. But you still have to make a lot of concessions and head canon choices to do get to that 99%.
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