Spoilers The Strange New Worlds Starship Thread™

[Dukhat]

I doubt anyone at Paramount/CBS asked for this plaque to be made, that's usually up to the set designer.

Set design usually needs to be approved by the producers. And we have no idea if the producers told them that they wanted that info on the plaque. I find it quite odd that a set designer chose to add all that info to the plaque just on their own without someone telling them to do so.

Yeah they're the same, in the same manner that the TMP Enterprise refit was stated to be the exact same ship/hull that appeared on the screen in the Star Trek TV series 1966-69.

No, they're not the same. The TMP Enterprise was a refit of the TOS Enterprise. The DSC/SNW Enterprise was how the ship always looked. There was no refit of the Cage Enterprise to the DSC/SNW version, or a second refit from the DSC/SNW version to the regular TOS version, because DSC/SNW is a visual reboot, and has nothing to do with what happened between TOS and TMP. I'm not quite sure why people can't seem to grasp this concept, since that's what's been happening since DSC started.

There's also the fact that the first time we see Pike in command of the Enterprise 1701 in The Cage/ The Menagerie, he states the crew compliment is 203.

13 years later when Kirk is in command of the Enterprise, it's crew compliment is stated as 430.

So yeah we have Canon evidence that the original 1701 has gone through a number of refits since it was first launched; and they definitely appear to have affected its internal and external structure in major ways.

So no I don't get all the consternation about the hull of the ship getting larger or smaller depending on the design of a particular refit.

No, the crew compliment change happened with the TOS Enterprise. The complement went from 203 to 430 on a ship that stayed the exact same size, only with a new bridge module, balls added to the ends of the nacelles, and the spikes removed from the bussards. That was the extent of the 'refit.'

 

[Tuskin38]

No, the crew compliment change happened with the TOS Enterprise

Burnham uses the TOS crew number in 2x01

 

[Dukhat]

Burnham uses the TOS crew number in 2x01

Did she say the crew complement changed from 203 to 430?

And even if she did, it doesn't really matter because the DSC/SNW Enterprise always looked that way.

 

[Tuskin38]

Did she say the crew complement changed from 203 to 430?

No?
But that implies it didn’t happen after Pike. Pre-TOS

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah they just recast the ship. I got over this years ago and I can’t believe the debate is still going on.

It can be added to the pile.

 

[Richard Baker]

I would love to reconcile having the SNW universe evolving into the TOS one but the showrunnrrs are determined not to matching things up. The most telling was Pike was talking with his future self. His visitor was wearing a uniform from 'The Wrath of Khan' era but it was not the same. They could have recreated a perfect replica, but the one shown had a number of differences, enough that it was deliberate.

 

[fireproof78]

TOS is just a dramatization of Kirk's logs.

 

[NCC-73515]

I would love to reconcile having the SNW universe evolving into the TOS one but the showrunnrrs are determined not to matching things up. The most telling was Pike was talking with his future self. His visitor was wearing a uniform from 'The Wrath of Khan' era but it was not the same. They could have recreated a perfect replica, but the one shown had a number of differences, enough that it was deliberate.

because that was a very different timeline

 

[Markonian]

In the licensed, non-canon DSC novel The Enterprise War, it’s explained that the Enterprise underwent a complete refit prior to commencing its One-Year–Mission to the Pergamum Nebula in 2255.

That’s when it changed from Constitution class 2245-2254 configuration to 2255-2260 version.

 

[Dukhat]

I would love to reconcile having the SNW universe evolving into the TOS one but the showrunnrrs are determined not to matching things up. The most telling was Pike was talking with his future self. His visitor was wearing a uniform from 'The Wrath of Khan' era but it was not the same. They could have recreated a perfect replica, but the one shown had a number of differences, enough that it was deliberate.

because that was a very different timeline

Yeah, you can't really use the 'Federation-Romulan war' timeline as any evidence of anything.

Now with that said, if they showed the actual prime timeline future of the TMP era, I'm almost positive they would have changed the monster maroons to what we saw in the SNW season finale. So I kinda get your point. If they've already changed so much visually, what's one more thing?

 

[Tuskin38]

In the licensed, non-canon DSC novel The Enterprise War, it’s explained that the Enterprise underwent a complete refit prior to commencing its One-Year–Mission to the Pergamum Nebula in 2255.

That’s when it changed from Constitution class 2245-2254 configuration to 2255-2260 version.

Yeah, that was probably written before we knew it was a way bigger ship. Or the writer scaled up the The Cage design.

This has been brought up before ( a lot), but coincidentally (or not), if you were to scale the TOS Connie based on the show's set height, it will be in the 400 meter range.

The concept art for Admiral Pike's uniform looked identical to the actual movie version, so I think the changes may have come during the production process.

 

[Ronald Held]

I find "recast the ship" a good phrase.

 

[Sci]

at this point if you are still expecting the Discoprise to turn into the TOS Enterprise by the end of the series I think you are gonna be really disappointed.

I'm not expecting it, but I'm not not expecting it. It's an option that is available to the producers and I think it would be a good way to end the show, but I have no idea if it will happen and won't be bothered if it doesn't.

I don't think the TOS version of the ship has been completely retconned out, because we have seen pictures of the TOS configuration on both Lower Decks and, IIRC, on Picard. Maybe the intent is for us to infer there will be a refit into the TOS configuration. Maybe the intent is that the SNW version is how it always looked when you're watching SNW and the TOS version is how it always looked when you're watching TOS -- variable geometry continuity. It's all fine either way. It's still the Enterprise.

 

[shivkala]

At the end of Discovery Season 2, a good while before we even got wind that there was going to be a Pike series, I really thought they were going to use Control as a means of explaining the "low-tech" look of TOS. The season had Pike show his dislike for holographic technology, going as far as having it taken out of the Enterprise. I thought it would have been a good explanation for why Kirk's Enterprise looked lower-tech without breaking canon. At the time I didn't even expect Short Treks taking place on the Enterprise, let alone a whole spin-off (though I am certainly glad we got them!).

So, I agree, I don't rule it out, but I'm fairly certain they won't bother showing it/explaining it. I'd go as far to say if we ever "catch up" to TOS in SNW, or any 23rd century story, they'll show a similar style to Pike's Enterprise.

 

[Tuskin38]

These productions have been unpredictable. So I don't rule out anything.

Look how close the props are, actually kinda makes the ship look out of place.

 

[Richard Baker]

I'm not expecting it, but I'm not not expecting it. It's an option that is available to the producers and I think it would be a good way to end the show, but I have no idea if it will happen and won't be bothered if it doesn't.

I don't think the TOS version of the ship has been completely retconned out, because we have seen pictures of the TOS configuration on both Lower Decks and, IIRC, on Picard. Maybe the intent is for us to infer there will be a refit into the TOS configuration. Maybe the intent is that the SNW version is how it always looked when you're watching SNW and the TOS version is how it always looked when you're watching TOS -- variable geometry continuity. It's all fine either way. It's still the Enterprise.

It was also in Admiral Marcus's office though that scene was deleted from the final cut.

https://www.google.com/search?clien...iw=1171&bih=878&dpr=1.75#imgrc=WrIgVLW_EGLeOM

 

[Tuskin38]

It was also in Admial Marcus's office though that scene was deleted from the final cut.

https://www.google.com/search?clien...iw=1171&bih=878&dpr=1.75#imgrc=WrIgVLW_EGLeOM

I wonder how that could be explained in universe. A concept model?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

I wonder how that could be explained in universe. A concept model?

With the registry, that universe just got to that style ship earlier?

 

[IMC Headquarters]

With the registry, that universe just got to that style ship earlier?

The USS Biddeford!!! Yay! A ship named after a Maine city! Way cool!

 

[NCC-73515]

In the PIC S3

Spoiler

end credits, there's a hint at the ships in the fleet museum,

and just as it's about to

Spoiler

reveal if there's a Connie 1 there and if it's a TOS or Disco design

it gets blurry and fades out, leaving it open