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Spoilers Season 3 wild speculation

My biggest concern, for lack of a better term, is simply the efforts to try to recapture the lightning in the bottle that was TNG. I get it-it's the biggest appeal to for many Trek fans who grew up with it, or it was their first introduction to Trek, or that as the gold standard. I truly respect that. But, again, this is just me, I find that trying to recapture a show's tone, and dynamic and such is very difficult, if not impossible, largely because it ignores all the growth, change and development just the actors have had in the time since the show, 20+ years ago or whatever. People grow, they change, they have different attitudes, or viewpoints. Very few of us would regard ourselves as identical even 5 to ten years ago. But, when it comes to fictional universes there is that expectation to be very similar, if not identical. That's...something I struggle with.

As you say, if I want nostalgia tickled I will gladly watch TNG, DS9, Voyager or whatever else strikes me.
Berman-era Trek is dead and hopefully remains so. The presence of the Okudas and Drexler, however, transcend any of that old baggage, as these are people who have an excellent and intimate institutional knowledge of Trek lore and, most of all, they actually CARE! That goes a long way, in my book. Having these folks pulling strings behind-the-scenes is A-OK with me.
I guess I see Picard season 3 as very much that promised evolution. Terry Matalas has stressed on Twitter not wanting to copy the 1990s production design, but how it would evolve in universe after 20 years. We know there will be character conflict, but likely not melodrama for the sake of melodrama. The characters will be very much in different places in their lives. And it will be a serialized season. A "TNG Season 8" would be very much like The X-Files revival, and there is little indication something like that would be the case here.

We all have biases and different tastes. For me, I'm a pre-existing fan of Terry Matalas from 12 Monkeys. So this season is highly likely to be right up my alley. I think it's also likely to appeal to a much broader swath of the fanbase than other NuTrek efforts.
I expect PIC Season 3 to be about as much like TNG as TUC was like TOS. Given the outrage we saw a few days ago, I don't think we have to worry about PIC Season 3 feeling like it came out in 1994 or 1990-anything. It didn't give those people the warm fuzzies. As frustrating as those reactions were to see (I can't believe I let that get to me), I think that means they're on the right track. PIC Season 3 will feel like something that came out in 2023 just like TUC felt like something that came out in 1991 as opposed to the 1960s.

Remember: take the idea that this is "TNG's Star Trek VI" to heart, along with everything that means.

Also in TUC, there was some real tension between Kirk and Spock as they had very different viewpoints on the Enterprise's mission to meet Chancellor Gorkon. I expect the tension between Picard and Riker to be similar here, where they'll have very different viewpoints, but viewpoints we'll be able to understand.
 
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Matalas weighs in on VOY cameos... [potential spoilers, beware]

https://twitter.com/TerryMatalas/status/1621352029234012161

Wouldn't surprise me if Janeway still did make an appearance, I remember Mulgrew appearing at a con saying "you'll have to tune in to Season 3 to see if Janeway makes it to the chateau". Bit anticlimactic if the answer is "No, she doesn't". But I can see why it might affect Prodigy storylines if she randomly pops up 20 years in the future.

If not Janeway.... got to be the EMH hasn't it? Might be a plot reason related to why Lore and Moriarty are there. Plus remember that time Picardo said he had been approached to appear in Season 2, and then it was never, ever mentioned again.
 
Wouldn't surprise me if Janeway still did make an appearance, I remember Mulgrew appearing at a con saying "you'll have to tune in to Season 3 to see if Janeway makes it to the chateau". Bit anticlimactic if the answer is "No, she doesn't". But I can see why it might affect Prodigy storylines if she randomly pops up 20 years in the future.

If not Janeway.... got to be the EMH hasn't it? Might be a plot reason related to why Lore and Moriarty are there. Plus remember that time Picardo said he had been approached to appear in Season 2, and then it was never, ever mentioned again.

My money's on Tim Russ and Robert Picardo. With the season 2/3 shooting confusion (and basically it being one long production run since then) I can see why Picardo would be approached and then it all going silent. Also the choices of guests over on Shuttlepod seem a little suspect to me. Micheal Dorn followed by Tim Russ...
 
My money's on Tim Russ and Robert Picardo. With the season 2/3 shooting confusion (and basically it being one long production run since then) I can see why Picardo would be approached and then it all going silent. Also the choices of guests over on Shuttlepod seem a little suspect to me. Micheal Dorn followed by Tim Russ...
I doubt they know anything
 
My money's on Tim Russ and Robert Picardo. With the season 2/3 shooting confusion (and basically it being one long production run since then) I can see why Picardo would be approached and then it all going silent. Also the choices of guests over on Shuttlepod seem a little suspect to me. Micheal Dorn followed by Tim Russ...
I'm surprised we haven't seen Tuvok in Kurtzman Trek beyond the non-speaking cameo in Lower Decks - Tim Russ reprised Tuvok for three fan films as well as official video for The Exhibition, Online and Elite Force 2 after Voyager. the guy's prolific!
 
I expect PIC Season 3 to be about as much like TNG as TUC was like TOS. Given the outrage

So, this just raised a thought. Over the years I've read so many complaints about how Picard is nothing like TNG and how the characters are different places and their lives and how they look old and how the Picard isn't about exploration..were the same complaints raised about the TOS movies..because as you stated the TOS movies are nothing like the shows, many are darker in tone, and most of them are not about "exploring" either.
 
So, this just raised a thought. Over the years I've read so many complaints about how Picard is nothing like TNG and how the characters are different places and their lives and how they look old and how the Picard isn't about exploration..were the same complaints raised about the TOS movies..because as you stated the TOS movies are nothing like the shows, many are darker in tone, and most of them are not about "exploring" either.
Bear in mind I was 12 when TUC came out, and I wouldn't be online for another five years. I remember reading comments in fan magazines and comic book letter pages. That was our proto-version of the Internet. ;)

So anyway, most of the opinions of TUC were positive but there were some people who thought TUC was filled with plotholes "large enough to drive the Exelsior through."

I also remember reading in William Shatner's 1994 book Star Trek Movie Memories that he didn't like that that the crew of the Enterprise had become so bigoted and that Kirk would say "Let them die!" even after the death of his son. So Nick Meyer and William Shatner had a compromise that they'd film it so it looked like the words just exploded out of his mouth in the heat of the moment and that he didn't mean it.

I used to rent books from the library when I was in junior high called Best of Trek and, even though this was the early-'90s, the books I read were from 1985. A lot of fans didn't like how dark TWOK and TSFS were. They were thinking about Spock's death, David's death, and the Enterprise's destruction. Then there was this one fan who was sticking up for TWOK the same way that I would stand up for DSC or PIC today (which is amusing in retrospect). And, as you mention, they didn't have much exploring in the films. So they wanted Star Trek to get back to that. They also didn't like how long it took for the movies to come out (they had no idea!).
 
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The TOS movies now fall into the untouchable "1966-2005" bracket. Previously they fell into the 1966-1991 bracket, when everything after that was complained about.
 
So, this just raised a thought. Over the years I've read so many complaints about how Picard is nothing like TNG and how the characters are different places and their lives and how they look old and how the Picard isn't about exploration..were the same complaints raised about the TOS movies..because as you stated the TOS movies are nothing like the shows, many are darker in tone, and most of them are not about "exploring" either.

I'd still say the characters still largely act like the characters, however. There's times for thought and introspection in the first few movies, certainly.

Generations had quieter moments and a looming threat that the Enterprise has to deal with with a very restrained action sequence that consisted largely of 3 people.

First Contact primarily adopts a feeling of dread, again, fairly small scale in its action sequences and has lots of lovely acting by Patrick Stewart, Aflre Woodward etc. You get how utterly terrifed Picard is of the Borg because of what they'd done to him. It's a well done callback and makes sense in context.

Insurections tends to be the odd duck, praised by many for being closest to a long form TNG episode its tightly directed and pretty well written all things considered, and it made a modest profit but the writing's clearly coming on the wall here.

Nemsis. Oh Nemesis, you red headed stepchild of a movie. This is where the weird shift occurs, characters still largely act like they should, but it has such a radically different feel and tone, the lighting technicians are locked in a closet somewhere for the entire shooting of this film, everything has a sickly green, grey or black filter sloshed over it the directing doesn't feel right for even a Trek film and the scripting at times feels sloppy.

Then we come to Picard. When it was first announced it was to be a deep character study and analysis of Picard himself. The man, the myth, the legend.

Indeed, Picard as a character was the diplomat, the talker, the one who knew things and people and would mediate situations. So, what would we see? Perhaps Picard as a more formal Federation Diplomat settling disputes with some new races, or old faces who only trust him as a neutral party?

He's semi-retired and would rather be at the Chateau checking this year's grape crop but instead still accepts that he has obligations to the galaxy and any way to prevent loss of life and other bad situations that only his wisened, soothing words could stop?

Or maybe a man in his Chateau reflecting on a life well lived and speaking to people from his long, storied career and how he helped and nutured them? Maybe we'll get a nice callback like the Dixon Hill holonovel that he asks one of his friends to come back for as it's the last ever one to be made?

No, we got action-hero Picard from Nemesis teaming up with a plucky crew of Misfits solving a Galaxy spanning Mystery and a heavy hint the Romulans gave birth to the Borg.

And an atrocious French Accent with a stupid eyepatch.
 
RMB spilled more stuff on his stream last night.
He said the show begins with Picard packing to leave the cheateu picard. He hears a noise and starts searching for it and he finds his old TNG uniform and commbadge. Then cuts to a scene where he's in a bar with Riker and he brings up his old communicator sent a signal he didn't understand. Riker explains that it was a secret signal they developed way back while he was assimilated by the borg so he couldn't interpret it as a borg. The signal is coming from Beverly. Dr Crusher has been providing aid to war-torn areas in a non Starfleet ship or something. She hasn't spoken to Picard in 20 years. Picard and Riker discuss how they could get a ship to look for her. Riker's old ship the Titan has just been refitted. Much of the fleet is returning for the celebration of the 250th anniversary of the Federation and maybe they can sneak away in a ship then. The spacedock starbase form Star Trek III is now a museum and RMB says we will see lots of old familiar starships. There's also some kind of throw away line about how it was hard to find the Bounty (the klingon bird of prey from star trek IV) because the cloaking device activated as it sank in the san francisco bay. He says all this occurs in about the first 15 minutes of the first episode. He said the scenes with Picard and Riker are very entertaining and funny as they try to find a ship. He said the entire season is like a "greatest hits of star trek" and that something from DS9 will play a major part of the show. He also said that the show begins with a title card "In the 25th century.." in the same blue font as the one at the start of Star Trek II.

Thought it was worth bumping this again given the trailers we've seen since. All mostly seems to tie in with what we've seen. But interesting there's a reference to the Titan being a refit. Again they can't seem to make up their minds with the whole refit vs. new ship, like the Stargazer and that seed ship in Discovery.

And as we've said before, the supposed year its set in (anywhere from 2402 to 2404 depending on what you read) falls a good few years short of the 250th anniversary of the Federation.
 
Thought it was worth bumping this again given the trailers we've seen since. All mostly seems to tie in with what we've seen. But interesting there's a reference to the Titan being a refit. Again they can't seem to make up their minds with the whole refit vs. new ship, like the Stargazer and that seed ship in Discovery.

And as we've said before, the supposed year its set in (anywhere from 2402 to 2404 depending on what you read) falls a good few years short of the 250th anniversary of the Federation.

Also ties in with the IMDB casting leak as well.
 
Some actor was listed on the IMDB page as "Changeling Officer" hence DS9 connection.

Anyone can edit IMDb information though; it can be famously inaccurate on anything that's not been released yet. I remember back when the revived Doctor Who was reintroducing Davros and IMDb said he was going to be played by Sir Ben Kingsley!
 
Only in Earth years... ;)
Does line up with the foundation of The Alliance, which lays foundation stones for The Coalition of Planets which leads to the Federation in 2161.

It's a bit like how the USA considers July 4th 1776 its foundation date, despite the fact it wouldn't be intil 1783 it would be formally recogonised on the world stage, and then the USA as we know it today wouldn't really exist until 1789 after superseeding the Articles of Confederation which had been in force since 1777.

There's obviously similar backdating going on here.
 
Anyone can edit IMDb information though
Almost every 'leak' I've seen on IMDb for Trek has been true.

So obviously be skeptical, but they've had an excellent track record so far.

Some examples were Gia Sandhu being credited as T'Pring in SNW long before we officially knew she was in the show, and Kestra in PIC Season 1.

I know there has been more, but I'm completely blanking.
 
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I'll be curious to see if you're right.
Mark Altman, the co-host of the Inglorious Treksperts podcast and author of several Star Trek behind the scenes books has given the first six episodes of season 3 his endorsement.

YouTuber Dave Cullen, a vocal NuTrek critic with 200k subs, has also said he liked what he saw.

So the trend is going in a positive direction at least...
 
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