Yep - was thinking about that one while reading this block of the thread as well. That's John Payne's Peregrine class. Always liked that one. Seemed to fit into the fleet quite nicely.
Unseen TOS....
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They appear to be curved on both surfaces.
Okay, I didn’t buy the kit, but I’ve been studying pics (some posted by StarCruiser) online as well as videos of the kit unassembled and assembled. I’m pretty sure I’ve got a handle on some of the PL‘s nuances.
I’ve already starting rebuilding my 3D model based on the PL drawings. I’m presently working on the main hull.
I’ve already starting rebuilding my 3D model based on the PL drawings. I’m presently working on the main hull.
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Well - remember that the Bird o' Prey was designed by Wah Ming Chang - sooooo....yeaaaahhh....
I’m not shy to say this second go around with the BoP has been more challenging than the first effort using the Mike McMaster drawings. The underside of the Polar Lights’ version has compound curves as opposed to the flat angles of the McMaster version. The PL does not have straight sides like McMaster’s does. Those two differences alone compound the difficulty of shaping the wings and how they attach to the hull.
The compound curved underside wasn’t too bad, but late last night I think I finally figured out the wing’s upper surface and how it attached to the curved sides of the hull. Hopefully I’ll have something to share soon.
The compound curved underside wasn’t too bad, but late last night I think I finally figured out the wing’s upper surface and how it attached to the curved sides of the hull. Hopefully I’ll have something to share soon.
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Something to look at so folks can gat a sense of how this is progressing. You can clearly see the different countours if you compare this to the McMaster drawings. The differences will jump out at you, particularly the contours of the underside and how the wings appear in elevation as viewed from the front.
I suppose these curves would make sense to someone familiar with the kind of wood shaping tools and machinery Wah would have used to create the model. The form likely follows what they are capable of doing, and not much beyond.
I recall when I drew this for my “50 for 50” coverage of BoT, I ran into these same problems. I came to something very similar to this.
I recall when I drew this for my “50 for 50” coverage of BoT, I ran into these same problems. I came to something very similar to this.
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I think you pretty much have it nailed - at LEAST as well as they did for the TOS enhanced version - probably better.Snapshot. Time for some surface detailing.
EC Henry once said that the hallmark of Star Wars designs was their simple shapes that could be greebled up.
Star Trek was the opposite---elaborate woodworkers shapes that could be shaved down.
That flat triangle on the bottom? A cut hit with a sanding belt?
Woodworkers can have nice curves--then put cuts in things to get more definition.
Hmm...I wonder if a virtual woodworkers space might help get the feel of TOS...
Do you have top views of new ships?
Looking ahead while I'm finalizing my Romulan Bird of Prey.
“The Galileo Seven” – We finally see the ship's hangar deck, but where does the truntable/elevator go? Okay, I have pretty much addressed this (see upthread) although there are a few things I could add.
“Court Martial” – Shouldn't the Enterprise be docked while it's undergoing repair at Starbase 11? What might that look like?
“Arena” – The mysterious Gorn ship.
“The Return Of The Archons” – The century old lost starship Archon. Like the Columbia in “The Cage” and the Valiant in WNMHGB it isn’t really necessary to the story to know what the Archon looks like, but we’re curious. Note: his could be a reuse of my Endurance design for "Balance Of Terror."
“A Taste Of Armageddon” – The second lost starship Valiant (not the same one mentioned in WNMHGB). Although I have tackled this ship before a few years ago I could revisit and perhaps reimagine it.
“Errand Of Mercy” – A lesser class Klingon ship attacking the Enterprise. The Klingon D7 hasn’t been envisioned yet so what might this look like?
“Metamorphosis” – Zefram Cochrane’s space warp prototype.
"The Doomsday Machine" - Is the Constellation really supposed to be identical to the Enterprise or could that odd registry number mean we should be seeing a variation? One idea was to use the AMT model kit as they did, but put more work into it.
“Friday’s Child” – Our first time seeing a Klingon D7 battle cruiser or could this be a different design? At this point the D7 mighn't have evn been designed yet. If so then perhaps something else is in order?
“The Trouble With Tribbles” – Cyrano Jones’ scout ship.
“Bread And Circuses” – The wrecked survey ship Beagle. This perhaps could be a reuse of the design used for the Antares.
“Journey To Babel” – The mysterious Orion marauder.
“A Piece Of The Action” – The old starship Horizon. Again, it could be a reuse of my Endurance design.
“By Any Other Name” – The Kelvan ship.
“The Ultimate Computer” – More than any other episode this makes us wonder what other Federation starship designs could be in service. Also the Woden shouldn't be a reused Botany Bay. And does the station have to be a reuse of station K7 from “The Trouble With Tribbles?”
“Spock’s Brain” – A closer look at Kara’s ship.
“The Tholian Web” – A closer look at the Tholian webspinner. And could the Defiant have been a different class of starship?
“Let That Be Your Last Battlefield” – Does Bele's ship have to be invisible? And could Lokai have stolen a different kind of Starfleet shuttlecraft?
“The Way To Eden” – Revisiting the space cruiser Aurora because a reused Tholian ship is silly.
“The Galileo Seven” – We finally see the ship's hangar deck, but where does the truntable/elevator go? Okay, I have pretty much addressed this (see upthread) although there are a few things I could add.
“Court Martial” – Shouldn't the Enterprise be docked while it's undergoing repair at Starbase 11? What might that look like?
“Arena” – The mysterious Gorn ship.
“The Return Of The Archons” – The century old lost starship Archon. Like the Columbia in “The Cage” and the Valiant in WNMHGB it isn’t really necessary to the story to know what the Archon looks like, but we’re curious. Note: his could be a reuse of my Endurance design for "Balance Of Terror."
“A Taste Of Armageddon” – The second lost starship Valiant (not the same one mentioned in WNMHGB). Although I have tackled this ship before a few years ago I could revisit and perhaps reimagine it.
“Errand Of Mercy” – A lesser class Klingon ship attacking the Enterprise. The Klingon D7 hasn’t been envisioned yet so what might this look like?
“Metamorphosis” – Zefram Cochrane’s space warp prototype.
"The Doomsday Machine" - Is the Constellation really supposed to be identical to the Enterprise or could that odd registry number mean we should be seeing a variation? One idea was to use the AMT model kit as they did, but put more work into it.
“Friday’s Child” – Our first time seeing a Klingon D7 battle cruiser or could this be a different design? At this point the D7 mighn't have evn been designed yet. If so then perhaps something else is in order?
“The Trouble With Tribbles” – Cyrano Jones’ scout ship.
“Bread And Circuses” – The wrecked survey ship Beagle. This perhaps could be a reuse of the design used for the Antares.
“Journey To Babel” – The mysterious Orion marauder.
“A Piece Of The Action” – The old starship Horizon. Again, it could be a reuse of my Endurance design.
“By Any Other Name” – The Kelvan ship.
“The Ultimate Computer” – More than any other episode this makes us wonder what other Federation starship designs could be in service. Also the Woden shouldn't be a reused Botany Bay. And does the station have to be a reuse of station K7 from “The Trouble With Tribbles?”
“Spock’s Brain” – A closer look at Kara’s ship.
“The Tholian Web” – A closer look at the Tholian webspinner. And could the Defiant have been a different class of starship?
“Let That Be Your Last Battlefield” – Does Bele's ship have to be invisible? And could Lokai have stolen a different kind of Starfleet shuttlecraft?
“The Way To Eden” – Revisiting the space cruiser Aurora because a reused Tholian ship is silly.
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I've been thinking ahead about when I get around to modeling the Klingon D7. AMT made two miniatures: one they gave to Matt Jefferies (which is the one I think we saw onscreen during the series) and another they gave to Gene Roddenberry.
Technically the miniature given to Jefferies, the one we saw onscreen, should be considered the definitive one. But both it and the one given to Roddenberry differ in detail as well as both are missing detail that AMT put on the mass market model kit they produced for retail purchase. Some specifics: the AMT model kit added detail on the upper sides of the secondary hull as well as included a sort of deflector like piece that fit in place where we saw torpedoes launched in the films. Note, though, we never saw the D7 in TOS launching anything from that big opening on the bow, but it is missing the piece AMT included in the model kit.
It's been said the Klingon D7 batle cruiser is the most (mostly?) accurate Trek model AMT ever produced. I know the kit was available for a very long time, but I don't know if Round2 ever re-released it as they did many other AMT kits (which, as I understand, they upgraded to some degree). I know Round2 offers a 1/1000 scale Klingon D7 as well as a 1/350 K'Tinga from TMP, but a large scale D7 is distinctly missing.
Technically the miniature given to Jefferies, the one we saw onscreen, should be considered the definitive one. But both it and the one given to Roddenberry differ in detail as well as both are missing detail that AMT put on the mass market model kit they produced for retail purchase. Some specifics: the AMT model kit added detail on the upper sides of the secondary hull as well as included a sort of deflector like piece that fit in place where we saw torpedoes launched in the films. Note, though, we never saw the D7 in TOS launching anything from that big opening on the bow, but it is missing the piece AMT included in the model kit.
It's been said the Klingon D7 batle cruiser is the most (mostly?) accurate Trek model AMT ever produced. I know the kit was available for a very long time, but I don't know if Round2 ever re-released it as they did many other AMT kits (which, as I understand, they upgraded to some degree). I know Round2 offers a 1/1000 scale Klingon D7 as well as a 1/350 K'Tinga from TMP, but a large scale D7 is distinctly missing.
Main thing left to do: add the oversized Romulan chicken.
On the previous attempt using the McMaster drawings I was able to make the upper surface of the wings flat because the sides of the main hull were straight—that simplified shaping the wings. With curved sides the construction of the wings became more complicated and a flat upper surface was impossible. Surprisingly the curved sides did not make shaping the upper and lower surfaces of the main hull much more difficult.
I admit to having some thoughts about what little extra detail could be added to flesh out this miniature a bit more. Sure it sufficed as is for the small screens of the day, but a little extra finishing would have been nice.
On the previous attempt using the McMaster drawings I was able to make the upper surface of the wings flat because the sides of the main hull were straight—that simplified shaping the wings. With curved sides the construction of the wings became more complicated and a flat upper surface was impossible. Surprisingly the curved sides did not make shaping the upper and lower surfaces of the main hull much more difficult.
I admit to having some thoughts about what little extra detail could be added to flesh out this miniature a bit more. Sure it sufficed as is for the small screens of the day, but a little extra finishing would have been nice.
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Round 2 released the large D7 with a couple of changes. The new dome base is good but unfortunately they removed forrward grill vents on the main hull "wings". These grills were in the original design sketches but for sorme reason they were left off the filming miniature. Round 2 was trying to make the model accurate to the filming model used. Sadly this was one of the cool details which really made the ship look functional (IMO)
Don’t remember the vents on the kit version. Although I only had the first version that had the full ball bussards instead of the hemispheres, so my knowledge on the subject is probably a bit dated.
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