Are there 2 Klingon Homeworlds post-Undiscovered Country?

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  1. Kilana2

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    Two years of French .... and almost everything is gone. Sadly, it kept me from learning Italian or Spanish. I don't like the effort involved in learning a language, along with a lack of perseverance.
    I regret it like Janeway regrets not being able to play an musical instrument.
     
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  2. Jinn

    Jinn Mistress of the Chaotic Energies Rear Admiral

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    If it makes you feel any better I also had Spanish for two years and all I can say is "Donde esta la biblioteca?"

    I'm definitely not a language person :D
     
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  3. Kilana2

    Kilana2 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Che Guevara would say: Hasta la victoria siempre (until the lasting victory). Somehow it has a Klingon touch...:D :klingon:

    Edit: can anyone translate it into the original Klingon?.....
     
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  4. Unimatrix Q

    Unimatrix Q Commodore Commodore

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    That's true, but it's still possible to use Klingonaase and the cultural tenets and their philosophy as something the ridgeless Klingons came up with on their own.

    Even if most of the history used in Ford's books is impossible to reconcile with canon.
     
  5. Jinn

    Jinn Mistress of the Chaotic Energies Rear Admiral

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    I don't have my Klingon-German dictionary with my right now... Give me a day!
     
  6. fireproof78

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    "Donde esta el bano" is much more helpful though...though I wouldn't mind knowing where the library is.
     
  7. Dryson

    Dryson Commodore Commodore

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    Also, your logic here makes no sense whatsoever. Su'Kal's interaction with the dilithium did not alter his personality.

    Su'Kal developed a connection with his surroundings; specifically, the planet's large dilithium reserves. When he was approximately four years old, Su'Kal inadvertently caused the Burn when he emitted a powerful psychic shockwave, which triggered the nearby dilithium. (DIS: "Su'Kal") The psychic scream was triggered by Su'Kal's trauma of seeing his mother's death.

    Because of Su'kals connection to dilithium, his fear caused the Burn. Without the connection to dilithium, Su'kal wouldnt have have caused the Burn. Saru was going to Su'kal to the Kelpien homeworld and would have to eventually explain what Su'kal had done as a result of the interaction with dilithium, which would change his personality, tremendously, once he realized his voice took many lives.

    The Klingons used to have a fire first and ask questions later warlike mentality. Klingons very rarely used diplomacy but always had the mentality of dying in battle as the only way to enter Stovokor. The warlike mentality can be seen in Kruge and the commander of the Klingon bird-of-prey from ST:V.

    But after the loss of Praxis the Klingons toned their retoric down a few notches and became diplomatic instead of de-cloaking and opening fire. The reason being is that warlike culture of the Klingons had long forgotten the technology that had built their space culture.

    Losing Praxis would have severly limited the Klingons ability to compete in unbriddled warfare between Klingon houses. Instead the Klingons would have returned to a more scientific approach to keep the Klingon houses from dying out entirely as well as upgrading their technology in order to be competitively defensive.

    To be honest, it’s not entirely clear, and that’s partly because the show views Klingon culture from an outside perspective. In TNG, we see hints that Klingon scientists are undervalued by the front-line soldiers, while the Enterprise episode “Judgment”—the one covering the Klingon-human genetic virus—goes a little further. It suggests that Klingons have become so entrenched in their warrior traditions, they’ve begun to stagnate in terms of technological development—which could explain why humans were able to catch up with them in the space race.

    Spock: Good morning. Two months ago, a Federation starship monitored an explosion on the Klingon moon, Praxis. We believed it was caused by overmining and insufficient safety precautions. The moon's decimation means a deadly pollution of their ozone. They will have depleted their supply of oxygen in approximately 50 Earth-years. Due to their enormous military budget, the Klingon economy does not have the resources with which to combat this catastrophe.

    Having such an enormous military budget and losing their key energy production facility of Praxis, would have out the Klingon's on a limited budget for 50 years. In those 50 years the, Klingon's could have either continued to be extremely warlike or return to a less warlike nature but being defensively warlike to keep pace with other races.
     
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  8. fireproof78

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    That's not a connection to the surroundings like Su'Kal. That's a resource need, which has always been present with the Klingons. They come from resource poor worlds and need to expand in order to survive.

    It's not like Klingons stopped being warlike post Praxis.
     
  9. Unimatrix Q

    Unimatrix Q Commodore Commodore

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    Actually what Worf said in "Way Of The Warrior" about the Klingons returning to their old practices seemed to imply this :whistle:
    At least for the years between TNG and that episode.
     
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  10. fireproof78

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    I mean...maybe? It's vague enough that it could be interpreted several ways, including that the "old ways" were more expansionistic, and conquering, vs. no longer being warlike, especially given the civil war that happened in TNG, and the concerns of war between the Federation and the Klingons whenever something went wrong.