That part, with her crawling across thre floor and such? Yes, masterfully done.
But by the end? I like the CONCEPT of the Borg changing track and trying to join the Federation. I don't like the Jurati-as-Queen aspect of it, though.
Spoilers Is Picard season 2 a failure?
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That part, with her crawling across thre floor and such? Yes, masterfully done.
But by the end? I like the CONCEPT of the Borg changing track and trying to join the Federation. I don't like the Jurati-as-Queen aspect of it, though.
Definitely.
Loved, loved, loved Annie Wersching as the Queen. The look, the character. Even the basic idea that the Borg exist because she's just really lonely and the face turn at the end.
The execution of so much though... left a lot to be desired.
The execution of so much though... left a lot to be desired.
She can be in the spin-off if they need to bring back the Queen? Wersching would have to try to be a bit more like Alice Krige and Susanna Thompson though, not like a nasty high school girl which she sometimes came across as being like at times. Wersching should have grown in to the role now though and be able to perform as a full on prom Queen, especially after her little number with Jurati.
I have mixed feelings. I really loved the first 3 or 4 episodes, but then, the plot became increasingly unfocused, incoherent and far-fetched, so I think they really messed up writing a good arc.
On the other side, there were so many wonderful character moments which I enjoyed a lot: Especially the goodbye between Picard and Q. It really moved me and I almost enjoyed it as much as Data's farewell in season 1. Also, Picard and Guinan, Rios and his "family", Seven and Raffi ... I really liked the character interactions and this kind of made up for the plot writing failure, imo.
On the other side, there were so many wonderful character moments which I enjoyed a lot: Especially the goodbye between Picard and Q. It really moved me and I almost enjoyed it as much as Data's farewell in season 1. Also, Picard and Guinan, Rios and his "family", Seven and Raffi ... I really liked the character interactions and this kind of made up for the plot writing failure, imo.
I liked some of the Picard / Q interactions in isolation, thanks in no small part to Delancie's charisma.
I think most were thrilled by the first couple of episodes. We know Matalas left to work exclusively on S3 early on, with Akiva Goldsman (sigh) taking the reins on S2. Not really an excuse for the incoherent and drawn-out mess we were delivered, IMO.
I can't wait to see what happens when the JuratiBorg meet the rest of the collective. Who assimilates who?
Side note: Is it just me, or does Jurati's ship look like it's made out of hundreds of copies of La Sirena? That would make sense, wouldn't it? I mean, obviously the Borg vessel was created FROM the assimilated La Sirena...but it's just interesting that the ultimate end product, this massive dreadnought, just looks like a bunch of copies of La Sirena pasted together.
Obviously Jurati doesn't like cubes.
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They did stay in LA too long, though that was out of their hands I suppose.
Is it that he dies, or how they dealt with his death? As the deaths of Tasha Yar and Jadzia Dax were key to introducing Sela and Ezri Dax respectively. Trip Tucker could have been good if it was a lesson to help Riker and Troi to cope with Data’s death. Elnor’s death would have worked if it immediately) addresses Raffi’s relationship with her son, 2) deals with Seven’s loss of Icheb in the prior season 3) reminds us of Q’s son. How many episodes was it until Seven brought up the loss of Icheb again?
So Picard got Discovery’d.
They tried to do something new with the Borg Queen. And have an assimilated Jurati threaten the 21st century and nearly create the Borg Earth future.
Rios was probably always going to leave. Deciding to stay behind in the 21st century knowing what’s coming because he didn’t like talking to five holograms of himself, even though he didn’t do that anymore as he now captained a Starfleet ship, is certainly a choice though.
Q can kill each other, which shows they can die.
Hm, I don't really need to know why he was dying. I'm ok with Data's explanation in season 1: Your life only matters when it will end eventually. "Picard" is Picard's farewell show. That's why it makes sense that Q dies, too.
Oh this is going to be a really minor niggle but was there any time tampering with the 2024 technology?
Some of the computer stuff seems a bit more advanced then what we have now and the drones Soong had could project a field to shield Kore. How was this possible with more or less current day tech supposedly?
Some of the computer stuff seems a bit more advanced then what we have now and the drones Soong had could project a field to shield Kore. How was this possible with more or less current day tech supposedly?
The Q were unable to render themselves mortal or terminate their own existence - we know that. However, it was within the capabilities of the entire Continuum to unmake / remake a Q. Delancie's Q endowed Riker with some portion of the power of Q. In TNG's Deja Q, Corbin Bernsen's Q gave Delancie's Q his powers back. In VOY's Death Wish, Delancie's Q made Quinn mortal.
I always assumed these acts were more taxing than - say - morphing ol' Doc Crusher into a mutt. Both acts were done with the consent of The Continuum. You could assume it wasn't merely the Q present snapping their fingers, but the entire Continuum working through them. Otherwise, any Q could make another Q mortal and kill them. Although, The Continuum could resurrect the dead Q and would likely punish the offending Q for murdering a fellow Q. (Ugh - too many Q's).
Their natural immortality was baked in; they were billions of years old, as we reckon time. Then you have Q's "The Q didn't come into existence, the Q have always existed" line, implying they transcended our silly little notions of spacetime and cause / effect - which throws another wrench in the works.
So, we have some examples and some very Trekky inconsistencies. However, the changes made to The Q in Picard directly contradict what had come before - that The Q do not die by natural means. They don't ignore it, as per Guinan's reaction to Q's condition and statements re: Q killing other Q. The issue isn't the change itself, it's the absence of any attempt to explain said change.
Q muttered something about temporal horizons. That's all your giving us? The show ignores the rest of The Continuum, Q's family and the lore preceding Picard and asks us to just go with it. I understand the thematic angle they were going for and not everything needs an explanation. In this instance, it was just rude. Worse, it was a red herring that had imaginations working overtime thinking something much bigger was going on than actually was. Q sick / dying, time broken, Picard the key to it all. If The Q are in jeopardy, there must be some serious multiversal shenanigans afoot! Nope.
It's Q. Any answer is default unsatisfactory.
Star Trek's 20th and 21st Centuries have always been more advanced than ours.
Remember, TOS and TNG showed us they had working cryogenics and Sleeper ships in the 1990s.
It certainly would be if it turns out he was duping him somehow, especially given how Q has been a prankster, but it would also undermine the emotion of the moment for us as the viewer if it indeed was a mind game. That would be worse.
I'm saying that his dying would have been a better scifi story than what we got as S2. For an all powerful being like Q it really is odd that it is barely broached.
It would fit with Q being a sociopathic creep.
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