What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?

Discussion in 'General Trek Discussion' started by Amasov, Jun 20, 2020.

  1. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk A Spock and a smile Premium Member

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    I'd say you're looking at the older Trek through rose colored glasses/Nostalgia goggles. The continuity was always a bit shaky, a bit slapdash, make it up as they went along.

    The current writers and producers seem quite aware of the past and have incorporated it into their productions. And like their predecessors they aren't slavish in their "devotion".
     
  2. Farscape One

    Farscape One Vice Admiral Admiral

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    :techman:

    This is more acceptable.


    I never thought INSURRECTION was terrible, but it was not great, either. I will say NEMESIS is better than ST '09 and INTO DARKNESS, but only barely.
     
  3. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Because no franchise is worth "devotion," in terms of slavish adherence.
     
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  4. Vger23

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    NEM is fucking “2001: A Space Odyssey” compared to INS
     
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  5. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Admiral Admiral

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    It's not an opinion. It's the truth. PIC exists because the people with the power to make things happen weren't happy with the way the TNG Movies went. That's why I'm with them. Deep down, they know. They're one of us. Or, at the very least, I feel like I'm one of them. Not being too far apart in age, Terry Matalas and I even grew up with the same things. So I trust him.
     
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  6. Oddish

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    Insurrection gave us Riker/Troi. ;)
    Nemesis gave us Data's death. :mad:
    Need I say more?

    I guess I can understand that... I wasn't overjoyed either.
     
  7. Vger23

    Vger23 Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Data was never my favorite.
    :shrug:
     
  8. Grendelsbayne

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    Insurrection was a lower mid-tier 2 parter episode.

    Nemesis had no redeeming qualities at all outside of cool looking space battles. And I don't care about those because Trek has never done space battles even half as well as other franchises.
     
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  9. Oddish

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    Nemesis could have been improved by the following:
    1. At the end of Insurrection, have a SIX MONTHS LATER placard and then have the Riker-Troi wedding. :adore:

    2. Have Riker and Troi go off together to Riker's new command on the Titan. Data puts on a red uniform and three pips and takes his place as the Enterprise E's first officer.

    3. Delete the rest of the :censored:ing movie. Do something with the DS9 crew, or the VOY crew, or just end the series at nine movies.
     
  10. Lord Garth

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    They needed to do a 10th movie. Insurrection isn't Final Film Material. They should've just made Nemesis a better movie or done a different movie altogether. If they stopped after Insurrection, people would've asked, "What the Hell happened?! Why can't they make another movie as good as First Contact?" People in 1998 weren't done with TNG yet, they were just getting restless. In 2002, they were done. They were looking backward to the newly released DVD Sets.
     
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  11. Farscape One

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    After the travesty that was NEMESIS, they sure were done.
     
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  12. Lord Garth

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    Credit where credit was due, though, to be fair. Jerry Goldsmith delivered a killer soundtrack.
     
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  13. Farscape One

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    Jerry Goldsmith always delivered.

    (I think NEMESIS was his last film before he passed.)
     
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  14. TREK_GOD_1

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    Buck Rogers in the 25th Century is 2001 compared to a large pile of Berman-Trek.
     
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    Looney Tunes: Back in Action
     
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  16. Lord Garth

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    "That's All, Folks!"
     
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  17. Oddish

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    Actually, reverse my last. Instead of Riker leaving, have Picard stay with the Baku, and Riker takes over as captain. That closes the arc that began when Picard's brother and nephew died: he's able to live the good life with that lady he met, forgot her name. Riker gets the job he held out 10+ years for, Troi gets Riker, Data still gets his red uniform, yadda yadda yadda.
     
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  18. Farscape One

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    Anij.

    Yes, that would have worked, too.
     
  19. cooleddie74

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    Picard did say he had more than 300 days of shore leave coming up and implied he planned on spending those days with Anij. And the whole thing nor Anij are never again mentioned.
     
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  20. fireproof78

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    Which is why Insurrection is the perfect encapsulation of that era in film form.
     
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