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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 3x10 - "The Stars at Night"

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Utterly inaccurate.
1. There is no such thing as human nature.

Not so. Humans can be variable creatures, but there are certain constants, such as the desire to be warm, safe, and well fed. And when we don't have those things... well, Quark put it best:

"Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They're a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon..."

Humanity in the ST universe may have brought the galaxy Starfleet, but it also brought Harry Mudd, Cyrano Jones, Roger Korby and Kodos the Executioner. Zephram Cochrane didn't invent warp drive to improve humanity, he invented it to get rich.

Roddenberry's "perfect people" were far from perfect.
 
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I could see Captain Freeman receiving a subspace message saying something like: "It's official, Carol. The Federation Council just released a statement. Romulus has been destroyed by the supernova. Their whole system is gone. Starfleet Command have no idea how many made it off just before the shockwave hit."
 
LD would, legally speaking, be allowed to address the Romulan supernova, would it not?

I mean, it wouldn't be the first time a Kelvin thing has made it into the prime timeline. George Kirk and the actual USS Kelvin have both been mentioned on SNW...

Assuming the legal department would clear it, I just don't see LD dealing with this anytime soon. Unless they did an episode where they flat-out played it straight, which of course LD would never do.

There's no way you could, or would, get comedy out of the destruction of an entire planetary system.
 
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LD would, legally speaking, be allowed to address the Romulan supernova, would it not?
There are no legal issues here.
Unless they did an episode where they flat-out played it straight, which of course LD would never do.
Maybe. Maybe not. I think there is potential there, even out on the fringes of what a California class could do. I don't think this is a either/or situation. LD has demonstrated ability to work with drama just fine.
 
The destruction of Romulus didn’t come totally out of the blue.
They had advanced warning to mount a big scale evacuation and build a specialized ship from scratch for Spock to avert the catastrophe.

In principle they could start referencing it years in advance, starting with rumors and turn it into a climate crisis metaphor, conspiracy theories, counter movements, misinformation and everything.

LD would be the only televised show in a position to do that.
 
LD would, legally speaking, be allowed to address the Romulan supernova, would it not?

I mean, it wouldn't be the first time a Kelvin thing has made it into the prime timeline. George Kirk and the actual USS Kelvin have both been mentioned on SNW...

Assuming the legal department would clear it, I just don't see LD dealing with this anytime soon. Unless they did an episode where they flat-out played it straight, which of course LD would never do.

There's no way you could, or would, get comedy out of the destruction of an entire planetary system.
since the remerger of CBS and Paramount any potential legal issue is moot. Both Picard and Discovery already referenced the Kelvin timeline.

The destruction of Romulus didn’t come totally out of the blue.
They had advanced warning to mount a big scale evacuation and build a specialized ship from scratch for Spock to avert the catastrophe.

In principle they could start referencing it years in advance, starting with rumors and turn it into a climate crisis metaphor, conspiracy theories, counter movements, misinformation and everything.

LD would be the only televised show in a position to do that.
Indeed, it could make for some very interesting stuff and if LDS gets that far I can’t imagine them not referring to it.

Prodigy is set in 2385, by the way, which is the exact year Hobus should go nova. But I don’t believe they’ll get into details there, as it really has what seems a totally unrelated storyline.
 
Utterly inaccurate.
1. There is no such thing as human nature.

2. Humans are extremely adaptive and as we demonstrated time and again, we can literally change overnight (as the recent pandemic showed - not accountint for many individuals who changed their behaviors overnight and stuck with them). In the current system we have, the biggest obstacle to change is the political will to do so (and that's only the case because people morons keep getting into positions of power and the underlying environment in which we live and work doesn't change).

3. Humans in Trek got rid of the core of their issues (the socio-economic system known as Capitalism and money) in the late 21st century (after WWIII once FC was made) and this would in turn cause different patterns of behavior.

4. You don't need replicators to eliminate scarcity... just sustainable methods for generating abundance (which already existed since 1975 - in fact, in reality, humans have been producing enough food to feed between 12-17 billion people annually for over several decades now, and yet nearly 50% of this if thrown out because it doesn't satisfy the 'aesthetic standards' of supermarkets (there's nothing nutritionally wrong with the produce though), or its given to animals as their feed (which is another unnecessary and wasteful industry that shouldn't exist as it breeds, enslaves, tortures and murders over 70 billion sentient land animals every year - a number which increases to over 1 Trillion when factoring in all the marine life which humans capture as a result of overfishing) - there are many other facts here with which I don't want to bore you with (you can look them up yourself).

To top it off, for every homeless person in USA, there are at least 6.5 empty homes... in EU, there's 3 empty homes for every homeless person. China has built multiple huge cities in less than 10 years which are lying empty because no one can afford to live in them.

C(r)apitalism is extremely BAD at managing Earth's resources. It's utterly wasteful, inefficient, is predominantly based upon competition (when in fact human society and civilization could never have arisen without cooperative behaviors) and as a result it actively generates bad patterns of behavior such as competition, selfishness and greed (all which when combined with existing industrialized education which does NOT expose the general population to basic methods of science, critical thinking or problem solving also results in prejudice, discrimination, making assumption, and heavy biases against other humans and situations.

It doesn't take thousands of years to change human behavior... by changing the environment in which humans live, human behavior follows suit (and very fast)... science demonstrated this time and again... civilization demonstrated with the pandemic.

Like I said, people have extremely warped (and inaccurate) perceptions of human behavior, how its influenced (and by what), and how fast it can change (for good).

Trek was supposed to reflect a better tomorrow... having these kinds of 'petty things' to still exist is UTTRELY UNREALISTIC for Trek and it just injects more current day nonsense into Trek.
The good thing about this is that LD is a comedy... and while canon, not everything shown should be taken at face value because its ofter exaggerated.

No such thing as human nature?

Explain people like Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Adolf Hitler, H.H. Holmes, Jack the Ripper, the Zodiac Killer... the list is endless.

By the same token, we have Mother Theresa, Ghandi, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King, and many others.

Evil people have existed and do exist still. It's a part of us.

Good people have existed and do exist. That is also a part of us.

"THE ENEMY WITHIN" is the best example of what I am saying. Quark's line to Nog in "THE SIEGE OF AR-558" says it even better.
 
No such thing as human nature?

Explain people like Jeffrey Dahmer, Ted Bundy, John Wayne Gacy, Adolf Hitler, H.H. Holmes, Jack the Ripper, the Zodiac Killer... the list is endless.

By the same token, we have Mother Theresa, Ghandi, Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King, and many others.

Evil people have existed and do exist still. It's a part of us.

Good people have existed and do exist. That is also a part of us.

"THE ENEMY WITHIN" is the best example of what I am saying. Quark's line to Nog in "THE SIEGE OF AR-558" says it even better.
People still list Mother Theresa in the good column?
 
People still list Mother Theresa in the good column?

To my knowledge, she started a lot of centers that helped the poor and sick.

I'm not a fan of religion at all, but I acknowledge that some people do good things with it. (Extremely few, but at least it's something.) I thought she was one of them.
 
Mounting the rescue effort was basically an all-hands-on-deck situation, and Picard was promoted specifically to lead that effort. If he's already an admiral in Lower Decks season three, that means the effort has already begun, and it wasn't like the situation was under wraps--kinda difficult when you're mobilizing most of the fleet for a single task and trying to figure out a way to ramp up production of tons of specialized ships on top of that. I'm assuming the Cali-class isn't involved directly because someone has to keep the Federation running.

It does beg the question of why Command wanted to get rid of a whole class of ship, though. They really couldn't afford to and things will only get worse from here until the Mars incident.

I'm thinking Season Four will probably mention it.
 
Question: was Picard a 1 pip or 2 pip Admiral before he resigned?

Because it's possible he was promoted to a higher admiral rank for the evacuation.
 
To my knowledge, she started a lot of centers that helped the poor and sick.

I'm not a fan of religion at all, but I acknowledge that some people do good things with it. (Extremely few, but at least it's something.) I thought she was one of them.
This is not the thread to go into it. But I recommend researching her and her “clinics”
 
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