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Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 3x10 - "The Stars at Night"

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When it comes to T’Lynn, I hope they keep going with the running joke that she’s really emotional.

“That would be…acceptable Captain”
“Woah, Lieutenant no need to fly off the handle like that”
That really works best with other Vulcans, but with this show, who knows?
 
Human nature may very well change for the better because of replicators, no need for money, etc... but it's NOT going to happen in just a couple hundred years.

More like a couple thousand years. Completely unrealistic that humans will change that much that quickly. (And I am speaking as someone who firmly hopes we get our collective acts together and that a first contact scenario like the Vulcans really does make such an impact. But I have to be realistic, too...)
Human needs are not going to change. Human nature has baseline needs, reflected in the simple reality that a study of history reveals many similarities, and stories that still resonate to this day. Otherwise, Shakespeare, Homer, Milton, etc. would be irrelevant save for cursory academic studies. It would not be emotionally moving.
 
Maybe Rutherford is a recent transfer to the Cerritos but there long enough to know people.

But uniforms shouldn't be relied on for the MANY MANY reasons they don't change all at once.
Mariner and Rutherford are clearly much older than Boimler and Tendi.

Anyway, I think I am seeing a clear through-line connection LD to PIC Season 1. What if it is Ruthorford's maverick coding that allows for the breakthrough to mass produce the limited AIs that the Romulans used to blow up Utopia Planetia? That would also explain the aftercredits scene where someone (with a green tractor beam) retrieves the headpiece with the Badgey code in it.
 
Mariner and Rutherford are clearly much older than Boimler and Tendi.

Anyway, I think I am seeing a clear through-line connection LD to PIC Season 1. What if it is Ruthorford's maverick coding that allows for the breakthrough to mass produce the limited AIs that the Romulans used to blow up Utopia Planetia? That would also explain the aftercredits scene where someone (with a green tractor beam) retrieves the headpiece with the Badgey code in it.

Since they're doing live action versions, it makes me wonder if Rutherford is 36, Tendi would be 35, Mariner 39, and Boimler 30.

Which isn't at all strange for Starfleet.
 
Given some of the visible ages of Crewmen and Ensigns in TOS I would never be shocked if they were indeed that old.
 
One of my favourites. Usually the big celebrations at the end overdo it for my tastes but this one hit just right.

That station was so big they were hammering it for hours unopposed and only did a bit of surface damage:lol:
 
Now there's nonsense if I ever read one.
Human behavior depends on the environment in which it takes place, while in turn people also influence the environment by their presence and activities.
As part of the environment, people behave in response to both physical and social settings.

By changing the entire socio-economic structure under which Humanity operates, it would have led to vastly different patterns of beahvior.
Starfleet as such wouldn't have discriminatory values towards 'tasks' nor would it see certain classes of ships (or their crews) as being on the 'bottom'.

I am quite frankly disappointed that many Trek fans still hold onto outdated myths such as 'human nature'.... what's worse, while Trek in principle says one thing, it sometimes shows something else (which leads me to think the writers also have 0 clue about human behaviour actually works ... so they tend to PROJECT existing norms and values onto a future setting where those thigns wouldn't arise in the first place).

If you want to continue to think that 'human nature' is a thing... go right ahead, but that doesn't change the fact that the science disagrees with you.

Every generation dreams of utopia, which inevitably falls short and occasionally results in war and genocide because people are people underneath the civilized trappings. Life can be improved, sure, and people can behave better but some people will be saints, some will be sinners, and most will be in between, including on Star Trek, which accurately reflects that reality.
 
Um, Tendi does know that Vulcans kiss with their hands, right?

Also, did anyone notice how T'Lyn's wearing a provisional rank insignia? (I love LD's attention to detail!)
 
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It's interesting that some are much more painted than others. I wonder what the justification is for that. A further way to differentiate duties performed?

The stripe only version looks much better.
All that yellow paint makes them look like Terran ships :crazy:
 
Human nature may very well change for the better because of replicators, no need for money, etc... but it's NOT going to happen in just a couple hundred years.

More like a couple thousand years. Completely unrealistic that humans will change that much that quickly. (And I am speaking as someone who firmly hopes we get our collective acts together and that a first contact scenario like the Vulcans really does make such an impact. But I have to be realistic, too...)

Utterly inaccurate.
1. There is no such thing as human nature.

2. Humans are extremely adaptive and as we demonstrated time and again, we can literally change overnight (as the recent pandemic showed - not accountint for many individuals who changed their behaviors overnight and stuck with them). In the current system we have, the biggest obstacle to change is the political will to do so (and that's only the case because people morons keep getting into positions of power and the underlying environment in which we live and work doesn't change).

3. Humans in Trek got rid of the core of their issues (the socio-economic system known as Capitalism and money) in the late 21st century (after WWIII once FC was made) and this would in turn cause different patterns of behavior.

4. You don't need replicators to eliminate scarcity... just sustainable methods for generating abundance (which already existed since 1975 - in fact, in reality, humans have been producing enough food to feed between 12-17 billion people annually for over several decades now, and yet nearly 50% of this if thrown out because it doesn't satisfy the 'aesthetic standards' of supermarkets (there's nothing nutritionally wrong with the produce though), or its given to animals as their feed (which is another unnecessary and wasteful industry that shouldn't exist as it breeds, enslaves, tortures and murders over 70 billion sentient land animals every year - a number which increases to over 1 Trillion when factoring in all the marine life which humans capture as a result of overfishing) - there are many other facts here with which I don't want to bore you with (you can look them up yourself).

To top it off, for every homeless person in USA, there are at least 6.5 empty homes... in EU, there's 3 empty homes for every homeless person. China has built multiple huge cities in less than 10 years which are lying empty because no one can afford to live in them.

C(r)apitalism is extremely BAD at managing Earth's resources. It's utterly wasteful, inefficient, is predominantly based upon competition (when in fact human society and civilization could never have arisen without cooperative behaviors) and as a result it actively generates bad patterns of behavior such as competition, selfishness and greed (all which when combined with existing industrialized education which does NOT expose the general population to basic methods of science, critical thinking or problem solving also results in prejudice, discrimination, making assumption, and heavy biases against other humans and situations.

It doesn't take thousands of years to change human behavior... by changing the environment in which humans live, human behavior follows suit (and very fast)... science demonstrated this time and again... civilization demonstrated with the pandemic.

Like I said, people have extremely warped (and inaccurate) perceptions of human behavior, how its influenced (and by what), and how fast it can change (for good).

Trek was supposed to reflect a better tomorrow... having these kinds of 'petty things' to still exist is UTTRELY UNREALISTIC for Trek and it just injects more current day nonsense into Trek.
The good thing about this is that LD is a comedy... and while canon, not everything shown should be taken at face value because its ofter exaggerated.
 
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