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How do you rate The Power of the Doctor?


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Well, that was a thing that was on television.

Okay, watching it in the moment, it's actually not bad, kind of enjoyable in fact. It's only afterwards when I think about it I realize, it didn't really make a lot of sense. The plot actually reminds me of a really sarcastic movie review I read years ago which said something along the lines of "there's a plot that's about something." That more or less sums up the plot of this episode, it's about something. And ultimately, meh, who really cares.

I will say, the character moments are what really saves this episode. We really do get some nice and great stuff there. Which reinforces that Chibnall actually is a good writer when it comes to character oriented stuff. I don't know why he didn't decide to take his era of Doctor Who in a more character oriented direction. But whatever.

And really, bland and forgettable storyline with brilliant character work. That pretty much sums up the Chibnall/Whittaker era precisely. So I guess when you look at it like that, this episode is the perfect representation of its era which makes it the perfect tribute to and send-off for it. So it has that going for it anyway.

The episode is definitely paced too fast at times, that's my biggest gripe.

The story itself is almost standard fare in terms of a Master vs Doctor plot, arguably too thin in areas, and many elements seen previously, but the characters are handled so well and a lot of the plot ideas have enough innovation to them.

Even with the loose ends about Gallifrey, the Timeless Child, and so on.

The Cyberlords regenerating at the start almost feels like a payoff to TTC, but doesn't quite make it. The revelation they figured out how to get around gold had a better impact, for me anyway. At least we see a Cyber victory, that's been long overdue. And instead of the usual grand epic episodes, one scene showing a smaller victory can let a viewer think of others that have happened elsewhere. I'll roll with it.

Reversing the TCE is interesting, though I doubt the Master would use it too often. It could also easily be a more recent development.

The Master has numerous assorted, sordid quips and there is a quiet sense of loathing that begins to bubble over how vile he is.

I had to giggle with the Boney M gyrating dance session - all while eye-rolling. It's a tad much, but nowhere as much over the top as Simm's Master was in series 3, where all I was doing was eye-rolling.

The Dalek traitor, who turns out to be an actual traitor (wow!), was a nice touch - completely believing it was a trap, with the Doctor explaining away the "It's worth the risk" nicely.

The paintings - shades of the Master plopping his face onto everyone across Earth except this is a lot more refined. It's almost something the Monk might do, except he's amoral and not evil. And the Master is trying to get the Doctor's attention. Just seeing the paintings with his face all over them was adequate. He's doing it to goad the Doctor. Nothing more.

Still wish they did more with the Rasputin ruse, though. That felt too much like an aside...

Multiple TARDISes again was nice. "HAHAHAHA HAHA" on the front door is a nice innovation on what the Master would do as well. The interior with different sounding cloister bell was a clue to his latest machinations as well. But definitely had those robust Whovian vibes...

Oooh, the biggie and Chibnall nails it: The notion that Earth could become a manufacturing center for Daleks and Cybermen explains all of the recent Dalek stories set on Earth impeccably well. Obviously the Daleks and Cybermen would eventually have a falling out, but they didn't win so it's a nonissue.

Obviously, how Tegan survives falling - meh, the Doctor did that thing she had revealed later on and Tegan kept it a secret.

Ace's use of "Professor" seems a tad off compared to how she said it in 1988, but so was Susan saying "Grandfather" in 1983 - same cause and reason.

So lovely to see the companions all get into the TARDIS. Lovely stuff.

The Master, now that I recall, mentioned ingesting the Cyberium harrypotterlmercurialblob and thus learning all of everything or something. I just rolled with it.

The revisiting past Doctors was really nicely innovated. Chibnall writes for Hartnell's Doctor better than Moffat had. Didn't realize how old Davison is now. So lovely to see Sixie again. Seven and 8's sparring is, of course, not to be missed - it's truly all on form.

Ian... as with Tom Baker, I fear William Russell's age is catching up with him as well. :wah: But it was lovely to see Jo and Mel back, even if they have nothing to say. The scene was the perfect size and a poetic coda. Almost perfect. I was yearning for Barbara, Ben, Polly, Dodo... So glad they could get as many 20th century Earth companions back, and the dialogue really is top notch.

And speaking of, people have said Dan's exit was bad. Try living in 1966 when Dodo left! Ouch!! :guffaw:

I cheered when the "Fugitive" Doctor appeared. She may have been an aside to the era, but at least we got one more moment and it was a damn good one.

The era, one of more downs than ups but, dang, were the ups good ones, ends on a high note. Leaving us wanting more, as well as feeling - perhaps unintentionally - as a celebration of the whole of the franchise. That's honestly how to do it (IMHO) and he got it right. Heck, this feels more of a proper celebration of the entire show than The Name of the Doctor had. It kept true to legacy and new, while tying up as many loose ends as it could. I think Chibnall had to ditch TCC thanks to covicooties clobbering the production of Flux, with episode count reduced and now having to end his era. Could enough of this finale, with everything it's set out to do, be "deleted" to explore TCC in a more satisfactory way? Not likely. TCC was comparatively easier to accept than some of the stuff put out in the classic era, 1996, and modern eras.

Jodie's impending regeneration had me initially thinking "Oh good, another one delayed yet again" and yet there's just enough emotional impact and intercutting with the companion support group to keep the denouement going. Especially as it all felt like an inverse of 10's emo wallowing, despite this being the same basic theme. Chris was playing to some huge strengths in writing Jodie's exit. And that bit about the final sunrise line... effectively dying alone, on top of everything else. The only thing worse would be how the 2nd Doctor was forced to regenerate by the Time Lords, but the underlying context is a lot more sinister with the Master. With any luck, Tennantwo (officially the 14th Doctor and not a bunch disparate of specials or distractions of warm cozy teddy bears and blankets until something hopefully new is tried with Gatwa*) will have companions coming in who'll be designed for Ncuti in mind. With luck, NCuti will be more than a Tennant retread too. Impossible to say but the trepidation some people have right now is rightly valid.

A- if not A for me.

* whom a contingent of fans would rather see because he's actually NEW and a true blank slate. In retrospect, get this, will Tennantwo be Tennant's original run or be different (save for the costume that's clearly the same motif as 10's)? There's a fun one to simmer over until next year. So as much as those of us who'd rather skip ahead to Ncuti, I'd still opine to see what Tennantwo has to offer - if the other articles from the last few months saying RTD has big and different plans, let the imagination soar as to what might happen... then be pleasantly surprised and/or pleasantly annoyed over what is put onto the screen next year.
 
I don't remember that story what did the Doctor do to her bat?

"Remembrance of the Daleks" sees the 7th Doctor and Ace arrive in 1963, where two Dalek factions are about to have a battle against each other in order to retrieve a Gallifreyan artifact the Doctor left then back as Hartnell's incarnation. I'll save the usual cant on the story's nitpicks, because IMHO it's a must see event regardless (A- if not A from me as well.) ...


...Well, either which way I'd hope people watch all the stories and make up their own minds and not let anyone sway them with "don't watch", no matter how many people in the room say it*. Everyone has their own likes and dislikes and it's fun to read other peoples' perceptions and takes on the stories. After all, fans of the old movie review tv show "Siskel and Ebert" still often went out to see movies that those two critics didn't care for.

* this is still a tv show, it's not the same thing as hearing someone say "Yo Jim, don't walk any closer to that truck as it's heading your way at 100MP- oops, too late."
 
I've seen some of his other shows, but sci-fi isn't drama and for some that touch on real life subjects, finding nonfiction documentaries of the same subjects are far more edifying, as well as genuinely realistic since nothing's more real than actual documentaries. If the people being interviewed aren't fibbing. And many weren't at the time but it's not 1980 anymore either. :(

Sorry, what? It seems like you're saying that there's no point in watching dramas set in the real world because you can always see a documentary instead, which suggests a lack of understanding of what both dramas and documentaries are for.

(Just popping in with an edit to say I agree with a lot of your review, Qonundrum, I'm just a little bafled by the bit quoted from an earlier post.)

Erm, I must be misunderstanding you. Years and Years was very drama and very SF.

Yep. Lately there's been a lot of science fiction movies and TV (and of course literature) that aim to be more than exploding robots in space. RTD's Years and Years is just about as as dramatically powerful and moving as his AIDS drama It's a Sin, but it is also unmistakably science fiction. They're not mutually exclusive categories. Something can be both. The same goes for recent TV shows like Tales from the Loop, Station Eleven, and Devs, and movies like Arrival and Ex Machina. They take their characters and emotional arcs as seriously as any mainstream drama. And they're science fiction, too.
 
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Stuck it in a Time Lord doomsday machine dating back to Rassilon and Omega. The Hand of Omega later destroys Skaro, hence Missy saying "They brought it back."

With the Doctor saying "And didn't we have trouble with the prototype", implying clunkily that he was developing it with both of them. Season 25 uses sledgehammer tactics to try to force 'mystery' back into the show and it was pretty cringeworthy on first viewing in the 80s as well. Other elements helped rescue it, but some moments were bad.

Sorry, what? It seems like you're saying that there's no point in watching dramas set in the real world because you can always see a documentary instead, which suggests a lack of understanding of what both dramas and documentaries are for.

I generally find fiction set in other worlds where I'm drawn to their universe, which allows a lot more dramatic ideas to be utilized, which does include real life issues - that's inescapable. Compared to everything that has to be set on Earth - any show can do that. Sci-fi can take the human condition and experiences and ideas and use them in so many more ways and I prefer its creativity and potential for it.

I've probably seen a lot more documentaries on HIV and AIDS than most, not just because I'm bisexual (which adds a layer of complexity that goes too far outside the scope of this discussion thread), but because of interviews with actual people suffering from it. It's not always a pleasant experience, unlike the invariably sanitized television and movie dramas and "bio-pics", which tend to do that often enough. It's honestly far more heart-shattering to watch those in real life discuss their real life interactions than any fictional drama "based on a real story" pretending to discuss what real people 40 years ago endured and nothing can begin to compare to a fictional drama. The main difference to me is that, certainly regarding HIV documentaries and interviews for example, those were recorded by people at the time directly and exist for everyone to directly learn from, at least from their experiences without the veneer of slick visual effects or polished scripts that might send a different message due to actor inflection or any other possible nuance. And I'll agree, there's a place for both real, fiction, fiction based on real story, and so on, but there's a line and for something as recent and as home-hitting as HIV, the phrase "keep it real" comes to mind. Nothing is more real than interviews with people who really have it and share their experiences directly. A drama can simulate or tell the messages indirectly, but it's still not the same thing as listening to the people in a true and fully nonfiction environment. I'd maintain there's potentially a big difference between fiction and nonfiction in general. Even fictional drama based on nonfiction is still put into "fiction" for legitimate reasons.

If nothing else, it'd be lovely if "Are You Being Served?" was a nonfiction documentary regarding human interaction and not a comedy with the occasional dramatic tinge that uses real life elements as a springboard to twist for induce jovial effect from its audience and nobody listens to people who sell clothes for a living, assuming any still do... but it's entertainment, not real life. For something serious, that real life aspect cannot be duplicated and I'm a sucker for shows that welcome me into their universe more than finding shows that try to be within ours, which is far easier to do. Which is a fine line in of itself, "Superman" (1978) is almost indistinguishable in some ways...

(Just popping in with an edit to say I agree with a lot of your review, Qonundrum, I'm just a little bafled by the bit quoted from an earlier post.)

Thanks. : ) But I can readily concede in that I do tend to be baffling at times. Usually not deliberately.

Yep. Lately there's been a lot of science fiction movies and TV (and of course literature) that aim to be more than exploding robots in space. RTD's Years and Years is just about as as dramatically powerful and moving as his AIDS drama It's a Sin, but it is also unmistakably science fiction. They're not mutually exclusive categories. Something can be both. The same goes for recent TV shows like Tales from the Loop, Station Eleven, and Devs, and movies like Arrival and Ex Machina. They take their characters and emotional arcs as seriously as any mainstream drama. And they're science fiction, too.

I'll not disagree with that. :)
 
It may only be just three special episodes, but I hope Fourteen has a longer narrative existence than Ten did. Moffat showed up and started giving the Doctor massive time skips (200 yeals for Eleven, Billions of years in a Confession Dial for Twelve), but Davies was very linear the first time around. It always felt like Nine got just thirteen episodes of life, while Ten might have had some extra adventures when he was soloing, not so with his companions.
 
It may only be just three special episodes, but I hope Fourteen has a longer narrative existence than Ten did. Moffat showed up and started giving the Doctor massive time skips (200 yeals for Eleven, Billions of years in a Confession Dial for Twelve), but Davies was very linear the first time around. It always felt like Nine got just thirteen episodes of life, while Ten might have had some extra adventures when he was soloing, not so with his companions.
Yeah, that saddened me, the idea of him having such a short tenure, and made his frustration in TEOT all the more understandable. IIRC, there was some consideration given to ageing Tennant up during the specials and final episodes, to reflect a longer time for this incarnation, but either the BBC or RTD decided against it.
 
The companion‘s aging always make time skips for the Doctor difficult.
I appreciate Moffat showing subtle aging of Amy and Rory for that reason.
I can easily believe they traveled at least a decade with him from their point of view.
And the Doctor going on more decades long solo adventures during their little domestic breaks.
 
It may only be just three special episodes, but I hope Fourteen has a longer narrative existence than Ten did. Moffat showed up and started giving the Doctor massive time skips (200 yeals for Eleven, Billions of years in a Confession Dial for Twelve), but Davies was very linear the first time around. It always felt like Nine got just thirteen episodes of life, while Ten might have had some extra adventures when he was soloing, not so with his companions.
*cough* Big Finish Productions Audio Dramas. Fully licenced by the BBC.
 
IIRC, there was some consideration given to ageing Tennant up during the specials and final episodes, to reflect a longer time for this incarnation, but either the BBC or RTD decided against it.
That was RTD's intention, though BBC said they'd be fine with it, so long as he went back to looking young for his regeneration scene, as they apparently feel when a Doctor regenerates, they should have their "traditional look" for their final scene. RTD thought that was the stupidest thing he ever heard and decided to abandon the idea since it would have to be ignored for the regeneration scene anyway. Even then, he still had to abide by the BBC mandate and have all the cuts and bruises from Tennant's face disappear just before he begins the tour of his life.

This mandate is also why Smith's regeneration had him temporarily revert to being younger for his good-bye scene just before it finishes with him becoming Capaldi.
 
One image they released of Ncuti Gatwa has him wearing the same undershirt and tie Tennant is wearing at the end.
 
That was RTD's intention, though BBC said they'd be fine with it, so long as he went back to looking young for his regeneration scene, as they apparently feel when a Doctor regenerates, they should have their "traditional look" for their final scene. RTD thought that was the stupidest thing he ever heard and decided to abandon the idea since it would have to be ignored for the regeneration scene anyway. Even then, he still had to abide by the BBC mandate and have all the cuts and bruises from Tennant's face disappear just before he begins the tour of his life.

This mandate is also why Smith's regeneration had him temporarily revert to being younger for his good-bye scene just before it finishes with him becoming Capaldi.
I'd guess that with RTD's new deal as showrunner, he won't face those mandates anymore. I'm sure that would be a term he'd insist in his contract. Greater creative freedom and control. I'd assume that it took more than money to get him to come back. We'll find out!
 
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