I don't see a winking emoji. You do realize this is a fake trailer right? With footage from Birdman and the 1989 Batman movie used.
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I don't see a winking emoji. You do realize this is a fake trailer right? With footage from Birdman and the 1989 Batman movie used.
Depends on who has been a member. A couple of millionaires on rolls in the comics.
I thought it was on loan from the Xavier School for Gifted Youngsters.
Nah, Xavier bought his at a JSA rummage sale.
Good thoughts, thank you. Making Waller the organizing force behind the JSA sounds logical.
I didn't know Aldis is listed as Carter in the credits. Yes, a black man as the reincarnated Khufu is perfect. I *think* I saw a big hawk statue on the mansion grounds, so perhaps it's Carter who's crazy rich here.
I'm now really hoping we see history between Adam, Nabu, and Khufu! Putting that in would make me a very happy fangirl.
Plus, I believe both Carter and Kent were originally archeologists, yes? An easy "in" there.
Hopefully they make this work, but Waller being behind the JSA is pretty much the opposite of what they stand for. There may be another capacity she's in the movie as.
Yeah -- as far as I noticed, the trailer doesn't suggest that she created them, just that she's calling on them for this mission. I mean, with Dr. Fate and Hawkman involved, I get the sense that it's actually a very old team.
Good catch--why the JSA headquarters would only feature a hawk stature and nothing else representing the other members suggests the property could be Carter's.
I'm now really hoping we see history between Adam, Nabu, and Khufu! Putting that in would make me a very happy fangirl.
Since its Black Adam's film, I'm not certain we will see origins for the other members--then again, if this Carter Hall shares that of the Golden Age comic version's, he might believe he would be able to reach Black Adam on a more personal understanding level...until it does not work / Black Adam does not care.
Waller may have changed (to a degree) in the wake of Task Force X, or thinking that there's all the reason in the world to cultivate her own team of superbeings, (considering the increasing level of threats to earth in recent years) whether they work for her, or have more of a Gordon-to-Batman type of relationship.
I mean, nothing is necessarily impossible in a movie but I doubt someone like Waller would really change much in that way.
I can see her doing a solid job of convincing a group of heroes who don't know her history that she's a perfectly good government liaison to have, though.
I can see her doing a solid job of convincing a group of heroes who don't know her history that she's a perfectly good government liaison to have, though.
Good points about Waller everyone! Which reminds me, is she still supposed to get her own miniseries or something? I vaguely remember it being mentioned as spinning off from Peacemaker.
The [sarcasm] tag must have malfunctioned.
So i think it is great Aldis Hodge is portraying Hawkman, and agree with @TREK_GOD_1 -- much better than the white-man-as-reincarnation racist trope.
Perhaps he factors into the Black Adam origin, as both could have encountered each other in Egypt.
So i assume there is no Thanagar in this universe? This is one of the main reasons I was thinking this is Earth 2. So unless they mix it up...and just have the Thanagar tech make it to earth? Also, Dr. Fate and Justice Society being a part of Earth 2 (at least when i read the comics).
Amanda Waller, theoretically, could have technology to cross the multiverse, right?
The thing in favor of the on DCFU, is if Black Adam was a creation of Shazam, but exiled away due to being "evil".... now, could he have been exiled to other universe (i.e. Earth 2)?
I also believe that Black Adam was SUPPOSED to be the villain of Shazam, but was changed after the initial script, to allow for a Dwayne Johnson vehicle....hence why Dr. Sivana has essentially Black Adam powers, and with some modification, the sotry could fit with Black Adam.
The most recent incarnation of Hawkman has him reincarnated across time and space so he had lives in ancient Egypt and Thanagar. Also, the most recent Suicide Squad featured Waller recruiting villains from across the multiverse. My guess is that if she is involved, its because she feels she can capture and control Black Adam somehow.
I'm disappointed that Shazam will not appear in the film (unless maybe in a mid-credits or end-credits scene?), but I am super-stoked to see Pierce Brosnan as Dr. Fate and Sarah Shahi as Isis.
I'm also interested in this new color that the Internet says is called green. It looks like it could make a fine addition to teal and orange.
I'm also interested in this new color that the Internet says is called green. It looks like it could make a fine addition to teal and orange.
How would casting someone else as Hawkman be historically inaccurate? Unless they're Quantum Leaping this, Hodge shouldn't even be playing Khufu. It's reincarnation, literally every body he reincarnates into should be a different (appropriately cast for the time and setting) actor through the ages. Khufu should be played by someone historically accurate, or at least, the reflection on a shiny surface should be.
But literally anybody could be cast as present day Carter with zero issues.
With that said, I'm excited to see Hodge in the roll.
Ohh, what did I miss? Is Alan Scott supposed to be in this as well? Him and Jay Garrick would be nice additions to cast.
I think you're misreading TREK_GOD_1's post, which is saying that Hodge is a more historically accurate choice than the white actors who've been cast as Egyptian monarchs in the past -- for instance, Legends of Tomorrow's Falk Hentschel as Khufu, Carter, and all his incarnations in between.
Here's an ivory idol of Khufu: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khufu#/media/File:Khufu2.jpg And here's a statue of Khufu's brother Rahotep: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khufu#/media/File:CairoMuseumRahotep.jpg They look closer to Hodge than Hentschel to me.
True. But the actors playing present day Carter shouldn't even be playing a past version. Khufu should be different from Nighthawk (were there Egyptian cowboys? Maybe) which should be different from Captain Smith (the old english explorer). Legends did it even worse, with the added "bonus" of hiring someone that couldn't act.
Again, more reason to be excited for Hodge since he's got talent!
I think Khufu is usually depicted as just happening to look exactly like Khufu; "reincarnating" but looking the same. That said there's no reason they have to of course, and having Aldis Hodge (who likes like he'll be great) as Carter Hall and somebody Semitic as Khufu would be perfectly reasonable.
On the one hand I don't like the idea of the JSA being fooled by Waller that way. On the other hand I don't like the idea of them willingly working for somebody like Waller.
On the other, other hand... if this is a Hawkman/Doctor Fate JSA instead of they tend to be portrayed as a little more.... "ends justify the means" sometimes (as opposed to Alan Scott and Jay Garrick for instance). On a fifth hand I don't like this "grimmification" but maybe over thinking.
On the one hand I don't like the idea of the JSA being fooled by Waller that way. On the other hand I don't like the idea of them willingly working for somebody like Waller.
On the other, other hand... if this is a Hawkman/Doctor Fate JSA instead of they tend to be portrayed as a little more.... "ends justify the means" sometimes (as opposed to Alan Scott and Jay Garrick for instance). On a fifth hand I don't like this "grimmification" but maybe over thinking.
I don't think Khufu's ethnicity was "Semitic," if by that you mean something like Arabs or Israelis. He and his family were depicted in statues with Nubian features or something like them.
The inaccuracy began with Hawkman's origin from Flash Comics #1 (January, 1940), where ancient Egyptian Prince Khufu was presented as...
...a white male with blond hair (with his reincarnation--as Carter Hall--bears the same appearance / racial make-up), hence the historical inaccuracy. Aldis Hodge's casting goes a long way in correcting what was a conscious (and long-lived beyond the 40s) whitewashing of the various people of Africa.
The reincarnation into a different body was of no concern to Neville & Fox, who saw the blond-haired white man as a preferable constant in the character's past and then-present.
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The inaccuracy began with Hawkman's origin from Flash Comics #1 (January, 1940), where ancient Egyptian Prince Khufu was presented as...
...a white male with blond hair (with his reincarnation--as Carter Hall--bears the same appearance / racial make-up), hence the historical inaccuracy. Aldis Hodge's casting goes a long way in correcting what was a conscious (and long-lived beyond the 40s) whitewashing of the various people of Africa.
The reincarnation into a different body was of no concern to Neville & Fox, who saw the blond-haired white man as a preferable constant in the character's past and then-present.
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What's this have to do with a movie made in 2022? We're better than this now.
And I'm talking about Hawkman. Not anyone from his past. Current day Hawkman. Who can be cast as anybody. He has no cultural or ethnic ties to the character he has currently been reincarnated into. He can be from any continent in any village in the world. Hodge as the current day Carter doesn't fix anything because current day Carter could be anyone. Carter Hall CAN be African. He can also not be. He CAN be Asian. He CAN be European. And anything and everything inbetween.
Khufu can't. The explorer can't. The bodies he inhabited from his past are tied to that. But current day Hawkman can literally be anyone. Regardless of the mistakes of the comics. Those are what need fixing.
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