How would you change the show?

[Anwar]

Moya was always on the move...in the same general area of the Galaxy where the Scarrans and Peacekeepers were always around the corner.

Voyager's problem was that if they did have such a recurring antagonist you'd need to explain why they weren't assimilated by the Borg long ago. Which is another problem with the Delta Quadrant setting, the ever present threat of the Borg would mean there couldn't be any big civilizations/antagonists that could be that spread out.

Unless you make them powerful enough to fight off the Borg, which means they'd still be too powerful for Voyager.

 

[fireproof78]

Moya was always on the move...in the same general area of the Galaxy where the Scarrans and Peacekeepers were always around the corner.

Voyager's problem was that if they did have such a recurring antagonist you'd need to explain why they weren't assimilated by the Borg long ago. Which is another problem with the Delta Quadrant setting, the ever present threat of the Borg would mean there couldn't be any big civilizations/antagonists that could be that spread out.

Unless you make them powerful enough to fight off the Borg, which means they'd still be too powerful for Voyager.

Get rid of the Borg, please and thank you.

 

[Anwar]

Get rid of the Borg, please and thank you.

Which is another point against setting the show in the Delta Quadrant. A rewrite I did years ago had them be sent 20,000 light years deeper into the Beta Quadrant instead. So they were just 20 years away, and since it was the Beta Quadrant there wasn't a real Borg Presence there.

 

[Oddish]

40 ships vs. Borg. Winner: Borg.
Voyager vs. Borg. Winner: Voyager.
Something's wrong with this picture...

 

[Farscape One]

What makes the picture more wrong?

Voyager vs. the Borg, multiple times. Winner: Voyager

 

[Anwar]

40 ships vs. Borg. Winner: Borg.
Voyager vs. Borg. Winner: Voyager.
Something's wrong with this picture...

Well, there's also Enterprise vs Borg. Winner: Enterprise.

 

[Tim Walker]

Had a thought about a bigger shakeup of the show.

Instead of just Starfleet and Maquis crews coming together, what if the Array still held dozens of other races from ships the Caretaker snagged in the weeks/months prior to Voyager being transported to the DQ, though all the other ships were in far worse condition following their transit, meaning the only way any of them have of getting home is on Voyager.

This could see a mix of Romulans, Cardassians, Wadi, etc all needing to find a way to fit in with the Starfleet way of doing things.

Somebody once mentioned a concept...one section of Voyager was damaged, a section of the Maquis ship was damaged, and the only way to have a viable ship was to merge the undamaged sections of the two ships. The resulting merger resembling the Yeagar. Conceivably this might work because both ships originated in the Federation.

The ship might be even more of a patchwork if some of the components came from alien ships, such a Cardassian ships, Klingon ships, etc.

Indeed, Trekyards had an analysis regarding the Pakled ships in Lower Decks-ships that could almost be members of the Frankenstein fleet.

 

[fireproof78]

Well, there's also Enterprise vs Borg. Winner: Enterprise.

To quote SF Debris they had a play by play insight in to that Borg cube via Locutus. Voyager has Seven whose insight is helpful but not necessarily a fully up to date situation.

The other thing that Voyager did was make the Borg incredibly petty. Rather than be a force for adding on cultures as they serve the larger collective whole. Instead, the Queen becomes focused on capturing Voyager, and destroying Unimatrix Zero by destroying the Collective's own ships.

And, just because of it I have to link to SF Debris:

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Always good for a laugh.

 

[Vale]

Somebody once mentioned a concept...one section of Voyager was damaged, a section of the Maquis ship was damaged, and the only way to have a viable ship was to merge the undamaged sections of the two ships. The resulting merger resembling the Yeagar. Conceivably this might work because both ships originated in the Federation.

A friend of mine had a similar suggestion: that Voyager could separate into two (or more) sections, and one (or more) of those sections was destroyed during the course of the journey home. Imagine you were used to the luxury and facilities of the Enterprise-D and then suddenly the saucer section was destroyed. Or you were on the Prometheus and only the top section survived, with its tiny nacelles and limited warp capabilities... would it be possible to retrofit one of the other section's warp core and nacelles? You could end up with some very interesting modified starship designs this way.

 

[Tim Walker]

In 2010 the Soviet and U.S. spaceships were lashed together. They weren't designed for this, but it was made to work.

I have this weird vision of a quad nacelle Frankenstein ship, with the engineering sections of two different alien ships lashed together, with the primary hull coming from Voyager.

 

[Oddish]

Reminds me of the Scavenger base from "Voyager Elite Force". It was a mash-up of a Klingon bird of prey, a Malon trash hauler, and an ISS starship.

 

[Anwar]

To quote SF Debris they had a play by play insight in to that Borg cube via Locutus. Voyager has Seven whose insight is helpful but not necessarily a fully up to date situation.

I was referring more to how the Borg could destroy every other Federation Starship in one shot or so, but couldn't do the same to the Ent-D.

 

[fireproof78]

I was referring more to how the Borg could destroy every other Federation Starship in one shot or so, but couldn't do the same to the Ent-D.

True enough which is why the Borg suck so bad.

 

[Oddish]

I think that Voyager's five worst mistakes are right here. I don't include "abandoning their core premise" because we honestly don't know how that would have turned out. But I don't think anyone would support these... blunders.

1. Saying they have 38 torpedoes, firing off almost 100.
All they had to do was technobabble out a reason for their unlimited shuttle and torpedo supply. 15 seconds work at most.

2. Having some characters wear the wrong rank insignia... for half the first season.
That's just embarrassing.

3. Not promoting Harry Kim.
No rational defense for this decision. None.

4. One word: "Threshold."
Better for the editors to just say "you gotta be kidding me", dump this crap, and play a rerun that week (remember reruns?)... footage of this episode could periodically turn up on YouTube, along with scenes featuring Bujold as the captain and innumerable Janeway/Chakotay shipping musical fan-videos.

5. No final fates for the characters. This after spending half of "Endgame" telling us what didn't happen. Did it ever occur to these producers that we care more about what did happen to these characters?!

 

[Vale]

1. Saying they have 38 torpedoes, firing off almost 100.
All they had to do was technobabble out a reason for their unlimited shuttle and torpedo supply. 15 seconds work at most.

I've never understood why people think this is an issue. This was said early on in the first season before they had built up any trading relationships at all, were all but running scared of the Kazon, and had extremely limited resources. Later on we see them trading regularly with all sorts of races and having acquired plenty of resources. They must certainly have been able to acquire new supplies of antimatter, for example, because Starfleet ships only carry a three year supply as standard; later on we even have on-screen reference to them acquiring materials to build extra warp coils.

 

[Oddish]

If they'd handled it right, it wouldn't have been much of an issue. They could find an advanced industrial replicator in a derelict ship and adapt it to run off of Voyager's power matrix, or find a species that uses antimatter-based weapons and trade for a pallet of photonic warheads, or B'Elanna could design and build a ship fabrication module in an empty shuttle bay (and Voyager should have plenty of those). But instead, they just changed their mind and gave us no explanation at all.

 

[fireproof78]

If they'd handled it right, it wouldn't have been much of an issue. They could find an advanced industrial replicator in a derelict ship and adapt it to run off of Voyager's power matrix, or find a species that uses antimatter-based weapons and trade for a pallet of photonic warheads, or B'Elanna could design and build a ship fabrication module in an empty shuttle bay (and Voyager should have plenty of those). But instead, they just changed their mind and gave us no explanation at all.

One line. It's one of the reasons current Trek failing to explain things bothers me less and less. I've head cannoned things for decades now to explain unexplained details.

 

[WarpTenLizard]

5. No final fates for the characters. This after spending half of "Endgame" telling us what didn't happen. Did it ever occur to these producers that we care more about what did happen to these characters?!

I recall reading in a magazine, the reasons for not showing us Tom and B'Elanna's wedding in "Drive:" "Fans already saw a Tom and B'Elanna wedding in 'Course Oblivion.'" Like it's just the spectacle of "seeing" something that fans watch the show for, and not the actual story and characters. Really, I think that's an excuse to be lazy. If they were so worried about being repetitive, they could easily make the real wedding different enough from the duplicate one.

I was equally aggravated by the refusal to show B'Elanna and Tom's real baby shower in "Human Error," after wasting time on the holographic one. And, come to think of it, making Seven's relationship be with the holographic Chakotay, instead of actually developing the real thing.

Basically, "Voyager" has a wall-banging habit of putting the biggest character milestones in imaginary scenarios, or alternate timelines that get undone.

 

[Summer Solstice]

I recall reading in a magazine, the reasons for not showing us Tom and B'Elanna's wedding in "Drive:" "Fans already saw a Tom and B'Elanna wedding in 'Course Oblivion.'" Like it's just the spectacle of "seeing" something that fans watch the show for, and not the actual story and characters. Really, I think that's an excuse to be lazy. If they were so worried about being repetitive, they could easily make the real wedding different enough from the duplicate one.

I was equally aggravated by the refusal to show B'Elanna and Tom's real baby shower in "Human Error," after wasting time on the holographic one. And, come to think of it, making Seven's relationship be with the holographic Chakotay, instead of actually developing the real thing.

Basically, "Voyager" has a wall-banging habit of putting the biggest character milestones in imaginary scenarios, or alternate timelines that get undone.

I would love to have seen their wedding in "Drive" too. It's a shame that "Human Error" involved the holodeck at all. I wonder what the original pitch was. In "Survival Instinct" I think Seven listened to Chakotay for the first time - their relationship could have built from that point onwards.

 

[Oddish]

I just didn't like the two together period.