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What are your controversial Star Trek opinions?
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Milking that TNG teat dry.
Oh, it still exists; you just have to be really careful about using it. In a society where ideology is king, people aren't supposed to actually think anymore.
And leaving a bad taste in the viewer's mouth as a result. I'm still pissed about how "Nemesis" ended.
I'm pretty sure the A was said to be the flagship in TUC. Which was interesting since it was pretty clearly not the strongest or most advanced ship in the fleet at that point.
I don't know how long Picard commanded the Stargazer, nor when he was promoted to the rank of Captain. but the writers guide says he was the captain (commanding officer or Captain in rank?) of the Stargazer for 22 years. Plus 8 years as a captain in rank after the Stargazer, and then 8 more years as commander of the Enterprise D, and then 1 year as commander of the Enteprise E, makes a total of 39 yeas since he first commanded a starship..
If the Writer's guide is canon (or collaborated by later canon) that he commanded the Stargazer for 22 years.
In real life,there would be absolutely no benefit in small space fightercraft, and space devoted to their hanger would be wasted space. Small space fighters and carriers for htem don't make any sense. And any attempt at justification for them would have to involve some very complex technobabble which might totally contractict every other piece of Star trek technobabble ever written..
That makes a lot of sense.
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Those two reasons, plus everyone else's starships that were still in one piece were beat to hell from the running battle with the Borg, and Picard just arrived in one of the fleet's newest, most advanced, and most heavily-armed starships, with fresh shields and all systems and crew operating at full capacity. Command would default to him by being the captain with the most capable starship, similar to the situation with Voyager and Equinox.
ETA: Never mind, I see you said the same thing in another post.
This is a terribly unobservant, inaccurate and intellectually dishonest way to express a grievance with our various cultures not being to your liking right now.
If you feel that there is a more constructive way by which I could express my grievances, feel free to let me know. In the meantime, let's get back to controversial STAR TREK opinions.
I like First Contact a lot. They did everything right that they could do. There's a lot wrong with it. It still has this 90's trekiness to it that prevents it from looking like a movie and what would look NOW like a pretty decently budgeted TV show. And I am not sure why. Maybe because the casting carried over from the TV show and they were very firmly TV actors being directed as TV actors. But it works, somehow, anyway.
It's like around that time that David Bowie was finished with Ziggy stardust and hadn't went into his introspective drug fuelled Berlin phase so we're talking the whole Thin White Duke phase that us Bowie fans would sometimes like to forget the more regrettable aspects of. But musically he's doing something totally different. There's a lot of blue-eyed soul attempts going on in the 70s, but none of it sounds like Young Americans. None of those other folks trying it are getting invited to Soul Train. He's making new musical DNA and he just stops, because he's Bowie, and he moves on to something else and creatively, he never really visits what he was doing again. And apart form maybe influencing the later sound of Roxy Music who in turn influences everyone else in the Galaxy, that's it.
So this drawn out completely stupid analogy is yes, calling First Contact, Trek's Young Americans, except of course Trek DID try to emulate it. Again and again, And First Contact has plenty of recycled plots and tropes in it too. So does Young Americans. So does anything creative. There's something about that movie. It might not be my favorite Trek movie in terms of quality or creativity, but if you give me a banker box of Trek and SW movies and say pick one to watch while we eat dinner, it will be First Contact.
But yeah, its hard to find much redeeming in the other TNG movies. I can't imagine myself ever watching them again on my own, unless someone else I'm hanging around with wants to.
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First Contact is a fine movie. I think my antipathy towards it is caused simply by my having seen it far too many times; it's not fun for me any more.
I also really like Insurrection. It's basically a big-budget TNG two-part episode. I just don't get the hate at all, and at least they tried to do something different as opposed to playing it safe with a dull retread of First Contact.
Nemesis, though...
I also really like Insurrection. It's basically a big-budget TNG two-part episode. I just don't get the hate at all, and at least they tried to do something different as opposed to playing it safe with a dull retread of First Contact.
Nemesis, though...
Because it's the big budget version of one of the really mediocre two-parters like "Birthright" or "Time's Arrow." Yeah, it's longer, but it's still not particularly interesting.
Insurrection tries to be like First Contact, but the Son'a aren't compelling villains like the Borg. Neither is that ass Dougherty. The Ba'ku are milquetoast human-like aliens who make the Ocampa seem like badasses by comparison. There's nothing notable to them other than their planet, which isn't even their original homeworld. The issue of forced relocation has been done better on the TV shows like DS9, so has the idea of eternal youth. It's all just very meh. I mean its better than Nemesis, so it has that going for it.First Contact is a fine movie. I think my antipathy towards it is caused simply by my having seen it far too many times; it's not fun for me any more.
I also really like Insurrection. It's basically a big-budget TNG two-part episode. I just don't get the hate at all, and at least they tried to do something different as opposed to playing it safe with a dull retread of First Contact.
Nemesis, though...
Yes, we could have managed that fine without the digression into armchair cultural criticism altogether.
Don't worry about it. This was the result of a previously existing difference of opinion. Totally not your fault.
Nemesis isn’t good, but I’ll take it over Insurrection.
Insurrection just makes me cringe - the dialogue is horrible, the humour is lame and it feels like the action sequences are on a timetable - oh, we’ve had X minutes of dialogue, let’s throw in some bad CGI and slow-motion explosions. It’s all so bland and soft; just the very worst of TNG, stretched out over two hours.
I was so embarrassed to have brought relatives to see it that I spent most of the time wanting to sink into the floor. I envied the man (one of only a handful of others in the cinema) who walked out half-way through and never returned.
Insurrection just makes me cringe - the dialogue is horrible, the humour is lame and it feels like the action sequences are on a timetable - oh, we’ve had X minutes of dialogue, let’s throw in some bad CGI and slow-motion explosions. It’s all so bland and soft; just the very worst of TNG, stretched out over two hours.
I was so embarrassed to have brought relatives to see it that I spent most of the time wanting to sink into the floor. I envied the man (one of only a handful of others in the cinema) who walked out half-way through and never returned.
Generations has it’s moments. First Contact is certainly slick and if you like the Borg and Brent Spiner with the brakes off then you’re golden. Nemesis has amusement value for me in bizarrely featuring a young Tom Hardy.
Insurrection is just really boring. It doesn’t feel like a TNG episode to me. It feels like a rejected TNG script.
No regular TNG characters have a discernible, meaningful or consistent development in the movies. Many characters are sidelined completely or in Picard’s case at times, written in a way that is counter to his established character.
TWOK, TSFS, TVH… ST09, ID and BEY… there’s a sense of these movies being a trilogy. Watching the second and third movies one can feel character growth, world building and strong narrative themes. In the case of TOS movies, mortality, death, loss, a refusal to give up and a refusal to grow up. For Kelvin movies there are recurrent themes of fatherhood, parenthood, home, growing up with characters often tending to learn from falling into hubristic traps.
TNG Movies:
A theatre stage. Dark.
Data enters stage left wearing a barber-shop quartet outfit complete with cute little straw hat. A spotlight follows him to the centre of the stage.
Data: (sings) I put my emotion chip in, emotion chip out, in, out, in, out and shake it all about, I do the hokey-kokey and I turn around…
Picard enters stage right in an identical outfit to Data. He is again followed by a spotlight which converges centre-stage with Data’s.
Picard: (sings with a wink to the camera) … and that’s what it’s all about!
Lights up. The rest of the cast are revealed on stage, gathered tidily on a podium. Riker is doing that thing with his leg. All wear identical outfits to Data and Picard.
All: Oh, hokey kokey kokey! Oh, hokey kokey kokey! Oh hokey kokey kokey!
Q appears in an identical outfit and jovially puts his arms around the shoulders of Picard and Data.
Q: Knees bent, arms stretched, ra-ra-ra!
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Insurrection is just really boring. It doesn’t feel like a TNG episode to me. It feels like a rejected TNG script.
No regular TNG characters have a discernible, meaningful or consistent development in the movies. Many characters are sidelined completely or in Picard’s case at times, written in a way that is counter to his established character.
TWOK, TSFS, TVH… ST09, ID and BEY… there’s a sense of these movies being a trilogy. Watching the second and third movies one can feel character growth, world building and strong narrative themes. In the case of TOS movies, mortality, death, loss, a refusal to give up and a refusal to grow up. For Kelvin movies there are recurrent themes of fatherhood, parenthood, home, growing up with characters often tending to learn from falling into hubristic traps.
TNG Movies:
A theatre stage. Dark.
Data enters stage left wearing a barber-shop quartet outfit complete with cute little straw hat. A spotlight follows him to the centre of the stage.
Data: (sings) I put my emotion chip in, emotion chip out, in, out, in, out and shake it all about, I do the hokey-kokey and I turn around…
Picard enters stage right in an identical outfit to Data. He is again followed by a spotlight which converges centre-stage with Data’s.
Picard: (sings with a wink to the camera) … and that’s what it’s all about!
Lights up. The rest of the cast are revealed on stage, gathered tidily on a podium. Riker is doing that thing with his leg. All wear identical outfits to Data and Picard.
All: Oh, hokey kokey kokey! Oh, hokey kokey kokey! Oh hokey kokey kokey!
Q appears in an identical outfit and jovially puts his arms around the shoulders of Picard and Data.
Q: Knees bent, arms stretched, ra-ra-ra!
x4
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