Damn straight!
Hey, I never noticed that before....
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season 1 of Picard in almost its entirety is basically disobeying starfleet's orders.The exceptions prove the point...
Or the aftermath of I, Borg.
Sorry - I haven't seen Picard yet.
And unfortunately I have seen Insurrection and yes ta da finally Picard questions a dumb order.
Also come to think of it there's that episode where the creatures took over the Admirals so I suppose Picard disobeyed orders them but then again they weren't really Admirals at that stage.
Now that was a very accurate assessment of Kirk. That "cowboy" crap was introduced (in dialogue) by TNG...because Berman and company's obvious attempt to place Kirk as the would-be negative side of a comparison to the snoring, looking-at-you-down-his-nose tea drinker.
I think Janeway speaks derisively of those days and Kirk in particular, when compared to TOS, VOY has lots of cowboyish or renegade decisions by the captain. Not contradicting admirals, but they were sure on their own makin it up as they went along, torturing a dude, etc.
Can you imagine how boring it would be if the episode showed Kirk and co waiting a month for instructions on how to proceed on a specific sensitive issue? Everybody just going about their business making work to keep busy while they waited for orders and being on pins and needles the whole time?
Actually, I partially take that back; one episode like that as a character study, where they're told expressly to wait for orders in a particular situation, and people debate and wait, and stew over it might be interesting. But not every episode.
Had an interesting insight about "Where No Man Has Gone Before" - I think it's kind of neat how they had Dehner, the female character, be the one who stops the out of control Mitchell. Showing that women, when given access to god-like power, were able to exercise self-control and make moral choices.
Granted, she was portrayed as giving off a cold and professional air before she became affected, and she had the added benefit of seeing what the power did to Gary (a living example of what not to do). But it's an interesting contrast to the supposed portrayal of other women/beliefs that women in the show as emotional and overly dramatic.
Granted, she was portrayed as giving off a cold and professional air before she became affected, and she had the added benefit of seeing what the power did to Gary (a living example of what not to do). But it's an interesting contrast to the supposed portrayal of other women/beliefs that women in the show as emotional and overly dramatic.
I might've believed that once upon a time, but post the female American politicians I've now seen - from Sarah Palin to the ones in the Tea Party and now Qanon - I'm convinced gender makes little if any difference in how well people handle power. We're just all short-sighted and self involved and often stupid if not outright nuts.
Except for "Caretaker" and the very end of VOY's run, Janeway was the de facto admiral and indeed Starfleet C-in-C. She didn't have anyone to overrule her decisions and the final say rested with her. That enormous responsibility (and how Kate Mulgrew effectively played the toll it took) is part of what makes VOY my second-favorite of the Trek series.
I guess you haven't watched TNG.
(I can't speak to VOY as after the first season I couldn't watch anymore of it.)
You missed a lot of entertaining scenes with Seven and the Doctor. They were both great characters, and together they were dynamite. But none of this happened until VOY realized that "Kes" wasn't working and they had to replace her.
You mean... you judged a Trek series based on its first season?! That only works with TOS. Apart from TOS, season 1 is the time for a leisurely, aimless sort of farting around, trying out whims, giving characters random personality characteristics to find out from viewers which ones are irritating... no hurry to get things right... Season 1 doesn't count! (I'm laying it on thick here,
I know)
I caught bits and pieces but I was mostly the same. Too much content on to go with it when characters don't land.
But you're right.
Most of the time, of course, it's best to follow the rules, and most of the time Kirk does. It's anarchy otherwise. But it's not good either to blindly follow the rules not taking circumstances into account. When Kirk broke the rules, it's because it was the compassionate thing to do. Lives were in danger, and he needed to act. So in those situations, yes, damn the rules, full speed ahead. But I never saw that as a bad thing. Quite the opposite. It showed Kirk had a heart.
I don't remember the details, but I vaguely remember this episode early on in TNG where the people on this planet were about to die, and Picard and his senior officers are having a briefing room debate over whether to obey the Prime Directive or save their lives. Kirk would have already solved the problem and saved their lives, damn the Prime Directive. And he would have been right in doing so.
That would probably be Homeward, or maybe Pen Pals.
The fact that there's more than one episode where Picard nearly lets an entire planet die because of the Prime Directive doesn't speak well of TNG.
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