They’re obviously not following the novelverse. So why would Worf have been captain of the Enterprise-E?
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Thank you for your well thought out response. I had to keep my comment short, so I did sound a bit over generalising. I agree with you for the most part. It's been a couple of years since my last rewatch of the Berman era Trek series, and I don't remember any of it being unwatchably boring or a chore to work through. I love Trek almost unconditionally, haha!
But you know how there's these 15-20 episodes of TNG, which come up regularly on best of lists? My issue is, that some fans apply the exceptional quality of those episodes to the series as a whole, then use this as a measuring stick in trying to bash the current batch of Trek.
Here I'd like to point out that in the 90's/early 00's there were dozens of series/movies featuring (at least) gay characters. But Berman Trek dropped the ball completely. I almost exclusively consume media in the context of the time it was created (it's the best and sometimes only way to enjoy some of it TBH), and some older Trek still manages to feature missed opportunities. Or, as some might rightfully say, cowardice and bigotry on the part of the producers.
Separate to the novel verse he was in the first Picard tie in novel, but even they can be overruled
The tease about the Dominion War is intriguing. Maybe Worf is part of a Federation/Klingon expedition to explore or colonize the Gamma Quadrant after the war?
Why? He's a long time Trek fan. Just because he hates a lot of nu-Trek does not mean he should be shunned for life. He has the right to his opinion.You don't have to be a fanboi and praise all of Trek to be allowed "in the inner circle".
Don't get wrong. I strongly disagree with a lot of Burnett's criticism of nu-Trek. For example, I like SNW. But I think the anti-Burnett hate goes too far too. He simply has a different perspective. Fans have the right to love and hate different parts of Trek. And I strongly disagree with his attempt at being a gatekeeper of Trek fandom. But let's not be gatekeepers ourselves and act like we get to decide who has the right to be a Trek fan.
No. It was the Litverse where Worf was the Enterprise E's XO. In the Countdown comics (the Trek XI prequel you refer to with Data in command of the Enterprise E) Worf was a General in the Klingon military and led a Klingon task force in a failed attempt to stop Nero.
It's a teaser, not a trailer. I imagine we'll get an actual trailer in September on Star Trek Day.
It sounds like his access was unofficial, or at the very least the showrunner didn't know he had it.
Then again Terry didn't even know there was going to be a comic set between Season 2 and 3 until it was announced. They're not told everything.
He was captain in the Picard Season 1 prequel novel, which wasn't novel'verse. But either way they're not beholden to it, so it doesn't matter.
Indeed, and very frustrating. The whole Axanar thing should have left that far behind, but it's not what you know but who you know.
What bigotry? We are talking about FICTIONAL characters.
If you are trying to insinuate I am racist both are black. So retract your comment. Totally ridiculous.
Also I am black.
Definition:-
obstinate or unreasonable attachment to a belief, opinion, or faction; in particular, prejudice against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.
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This is weird, nobody called you racist. Yet you somehow felt the need to react this way.
Also, displaying bigotry against fictional characters is not bigotry, am I getting you right? Fictional characters can't possibly be stand-ins for real people?
Also also, since you seem to like definitions, please define "wokism" and "SJW rubbish" you mentioned Trek needed to get rid of. It would help to make sure we're talking about the same stuff, so misunderstandings can be avoided.
I was not referring to Rafi in particular at all or the spoken dialogue.
I was referring to the messaging of the last show in general. Also Worf is black so your comment makes no sense.
I am black by the way.
This whole thing going on in the fandom reminds me of Karl Popper's "Paradoxon of Tolerance". Like far too fucking many things going on lately. Even if in this case we're talking "just" about entertainment, one shouldn't brush it off too lightly since it's still an aspect of culture and its perception and development.
And there was nothing wrong with that messenging.
Star Trek has been 'Woke' and 'SJW' since 1966. Get with the times.
Fence builder (ie: "stay off my lawn")
Fans have the right to love and hate different parts of Trek. And I strongly disagree with his attempt at being a gatekeeper of Trek fandom. But let's not be gatekeepers ourselves and act like we get to decide who has the right to be a Trek fan.
Yes that is what the forum is supposed to be about.
We are constantly pressured to do group think. 1984.
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Trek has done this forever. Not sure what is objectionable in comparison to other shows. And if I'm saying this and I'm not that woke then it can't be that bad...I think.
Got any examples?
if I did I would be accused of something by someone. We have to live in a constant state of fear.
Robert Burnett who has seen the scripts for S3, says that ep 1 opens like Wrath of Khan with the same shot of stars and the blue font that reads "In the 25th century". That sounds really cool
