Spoilers The Gorn should sue this show

[valkyrie013]

We still don't know ..well much if anything .. Of the gorn.
Differences can be be explained by..

Are there tribes of gorn? Some are more militant?

Different colonys?

Religious zealots.. Our book calls for us to deposit our seed in out enemy's vs natural pregnancy.

Different types? Maybe she were warrior types where the captain in Arena was a brain type.

Maybe the stage we saw in SNW was just adolescence, feral survival mode in a unforgiving environment.
Vs if they were born with gorn parents there to feed etc. They wouldn't devolve to alpha dominance.
A feral kid vs a taken care of kid..

 

[Mudd]

The thing* is, since the Gorn are apparently born with genetic knowledge of various sorts beyond what we associate with the state of infancy, and since it's been suggested here that maybe they acquire genetic traits from their hosts...maybe they discovered as they first encountered spacefaring, intelligent species that implanting eggs in such creatures produced offspring with superior physical and intellectual qualities. Offspring born of humans or Vulcans or Klingons or what-have-you have all sorts of competitive advantages over offspring born of whatever creatures were used as incubators back on Gorn Prime. So they began actively seeking such creatures out. They know they're assimilating new abilities. They're the Borg without all the machine parts.


*Pun sort of intended.

 

[Kor]

We will see if you wants come true...

It's some fun speculation. If it doesn't turn out that way, or if we don't really learn anything of substance about the Gorn, then no big deal. It's just a TV show.

Kor

 

[dupersuper]

The Gorn have always been evil bastards. Always.

Always? You mean the single ship in their one and only prime timeline appearance in Trek until the new shows started?

 

[fireproof78]

Always? You mean the single ship in their one and only prime timeline appearance in Trek until the new shows started?

Destroying an entire colony and faking a message to lure more victims is not evil?

 

[Noname Given]

Destroying an entire colony and faking a message to lure more victims is not evil?

And refusing a surrender offer they clearly understand after being told there are women and children on the colony.

 

[DaveyNY]

Yes I thought it very stupid and it made them into uncivilized savages and also how did they breed before star travel..

Most likely by depositing their larva/eggs in themselves and whatever alien lifeforms were available on their home planet.
One could assume that some kind of symbiotic relationship probably began between the Gorn and another species during their evolutionary climb to being the dominant lifeform on the planet.

 

[dupersuper]

Destroying an entire colony and faking a message to lure more victims is not evil?

Sure it is, as is judging a whole people on the actions of one ship.

 

[fireproof78]

Sure it is, as is judging a whole people on the actions of one ship.

I'll remember that the next time something is declared dystopian.

 

[Ferengi Prime 5]

It was a misunderstanding! Kirk and the Gorn were victims of circumstance!

You can make that argument... It is obvious the Gorn do shot first and ask questions later. It seems they attack the outpost and destroyed it but retreated once they met resistance. It seems, they were attacking more like raiders than a species protecting their borders.

 

[dupersuper]

I'll remember that the next time something is declared dystopian.

I...don't see the connection.

 

[fireproof78]

I...don't see the connection.

That's ok. Give it time.

 

[dupersuper]

That's ok. Give it time.

 

[MarkusTay]

I just started watching this show last night, and I was enjoying it (despite some inconsistencies with canon), UNTIL I got to this episode. I felt like I had PTSD after I watched it. They turned the Gorn in Xenomorphs? WHY?

I had some problems with other stuff. I like the show itself (mostly), and I can ignore a lot, but at this point I have to just assume this show takes place in a completely different timeline than the TOS - there simply is no way to reconcile it. I'm not even sure if I want to keep watching. The visuals are gorgeous, but the story-telling is just bad* - the Federation went from 'we can beat everyone' in the TOS (which wasn't good either), to "EVERYONE is so much more powerful than us". How much do you have to hate your fellow humans to write it this way? Pike and his Federation wouldn't have lasted 10 seconds in the Alpha/Beta Quadrants. Such a shame - all that amazing production value wasted.

*From a canon perspective

 

[MarkusTay]

You can make that argument... It is obvious the Gorn do shot first and ask questions later. It seems they attack the outpost and destroyed it but retreated once they met resistance. It seems, they were attacking more like raiders than a species protecting their borders.

They are an ALIEN species - Kirk understood that. He knew he can't judge them by human values/mores. If their militaristic, warrior culture is based on destroying a perceived threat before it becomes a threat, then they are just acting the way evolution taught them to behave. 'Good' & 'Evil' is meaningless in a universe full of species that didn't 'grow up' on the same planet, in the same ways, that we did. As far as the Gorn were concerned, they did nothing wrong (in the TOS episode).

Mind you, this NuGorn species is NOTHING like the original. I still wouldn't call it evil - more like instinctual/bestial. They just consider us food. Do you ask a cow if it is happy about being on your plate?

Spoiler

Oh, and the fact that blinking lights can make them attack each other is just DUMB.

 

[fireproof78]

How much do you have to hate your fellow humans to write it this way?

How so?

 

[C.E. Evans]

I like the Gorn. I mean, I wouldn't want to be on the bad side of one, but I do think they fall into the category of a sci-fi monster--which can be animalistic, intelligent, or in the case of the Gorn, both. I really like the idea that there may be different types of Gorn, and the one that Kirk will face may be much slower than the ones in SNW, but is no less deadly when he catches you. SNW's Gorn utilizes stealth and fast attacks, while the TOS-type Gorn takes their time and wears down their prey, going in for the kill once their quarry is too tired to run anymore or fight back.

Maybe in Gorn society, the TOS Gorn is at the top and usually produce commanders, while the SNW Gorn are the foot soldiers. There may be yet other types of unseen Gorn that are scientists & engineers, doctors & politicians, shipbuilders & technicians. That the Gorn may see Humans and some other life-forms as no more than cattle, could be something that Kirk's actions helped rectify in the future and eventually cause better relations between the Gorn and the Federation. It could be something that's already the case by now in the Kelvin Timeline if we go by what McCoy said.

 

[fireproof78]

can be animalistic, intelligent, or in the case of the Gorn, both.

So...like humans?

 

[C.E. Evans]

So...like humans?

Today's humans maybe...

 

[fireproof78]

Today's humans maybe...

We're killers but we're not going to kill today.

Humans are capable of many things. I don't see that changing much.