Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x10 - "A Quality of Mercy"

[Yistaan]

I had a thought about that. The monks might be more irritated with Pike for cheating out the "price" of taking a time-crystal than they are necessarily with the precise state of the galaxy that resulted.

How would they even know what it was though? All Tenavik saw was that Pike saw something really horrible that made him break down. For all they know the new Romulan War and Spock's mutilation was it.

Future Pike was not exactly living a happy carefree life that would puzzle anyone who know he saw a horrible future, as long as they don't know the specifics.

 

[Danlav05]

Definitely shows lineage to the SNW uniforms, also looks a lot more comfortable than the OG Maroon

TBF the lines on the monster maroon are famously difficult to replicate, so at least Alt Timeline is an excuse to reimagine!! I have no problem, CBS Trek introduces a couple of new uniform variants every season, whenever the timeline

 

[Noname Given]

It just occurred to me that the Klingons and Romulans were allies in TOS, to the point that most Romulan ships in the Enterprise Incident were D7s given to them by the Klingons! If the Romulans are indeed trouncing the Federation and the Klingons would be siding with them, mutilated Fed savior Spock, and are ushering in a new era of evil (TM), why would the Klingons help Pike prevent all that? If anything the Boreth monks would proclaim this the New Age of Kahless.

Actually your knowledge of Romulan and Klingon canon is incorrect.

It was never stated that the romulans were using ships given to them by the Klingons, what Spock said in TOS S3 - The Enterprise Incident was:

" ...intelligence reports romulans now using Klingon design. "

For all we know, Romulan spies within the Klingon Empire appropriated the schematics: but there's no line stating the Klingons gave the Romulans some of their ships.

 

[David cgc]

How would they even know what it was though? All Tenavik saw was that Pike saw something really horrible that made him break down. For all they know the new Romulan War and Spock's mutilation was it.

They had freaky time powers from living on a freaky time planet, they might've been able to tell things had gone wrong, a la Guinan. Or Pike just told them, "Hey, I came to check back in because I might've made a little mistake with time, and I wanted an expert's opinion; would 'avoiding my inevitable fate shown to me by the time crystal' potentially have any wider negative consequences, or was that inevitability thing just a song-and-dance you put on for the tourist so we feel like we got something out of visiting the weird time planet?"

I don't know, the whole Pike-learns-he's-in-a-prequel plot was stupid and I've hated it from the get-go, I don't know why I'm indulging in my reflexive need to read between the lines to get things to make sense..

 

[Yistaan]

On the topic of time crystals, those things were said to be extremely rare and not used for personal indulgences. It's highly unlikely the Boreth monks let Pike try hundreds of attempts to save Spock and cheat the delta accident to the point that Admiral Pike can conclusively say that there's no other way around it.

From the monks' point of view, Pike just traded one bad future for another so their time really shouldn't be wasted anymore. It's not their problem especially when they're on the verge of ruling the galaxy with the Romulans.

 

[El Maestro]

TBF the lines on the monster maroon are famously difficult to replicate,

This is interesting! Do you know more about this/have a link to something? I'm not at all well-versed in costume design so I would be interested to read more about the uniform and the challenges with it. It only looks good in STII-VI and maybe one episode of VOY and that's it!

 

[Yistaan]

Admiral Pike: Hey you guys really ok with all this? This time crystal showed me a century from now you're reduced to charlatans cloning Kahless for some latinum if I do this, rather than high priests of the new Romulan/Klingon Empire.

 

[137th Gebirg]

TBF the lines on the monster maroon are famously difficult to replicate, so at least Alt Timeline is an excuse to reimagine!! I have no problem, CBS Trek introduces a couple of new uniform variants every season, whenever the timeline

I've built 3 of them back in the 90's. The hardest part is getting the collar diameter right - too small and it will choke the wearer. Too big and it will droop in the front and look stupid-sloppy. The second hardest part is getting the overall length right so that it doesn't appear too short (or too long). Other than that, it's not too bad.

Now, the TNG uniforms (IMO) were far more difficult. I never built them but a friend of mine did back then. There was very little room in the pattern to be flexible and the paneling together of the different asymmetrical mosaic pieces could be extremely problematic. If measurements were off for any one panel, the whole thing looked lopsided with pinched seams. I'd easily do another MM than a TNG any day.

 

[DaveyNY]

Oh, I see. I'm not a "real" fan because I'm not obsessed with reconciling things that just don't fit together.

Face it, long-running franchises all include retcons and continuity issues. It's actually people who can't let go and just enjoy the show for what it is that are the poorer for it.

Those are your words not mine.
No where in my post did I say anything about being a "Real Fan", but if the shoe fits...
And last I knew "being obsessed about a particular IP' is pretty much the definition of what being a "Fan" is.

Also, your last sentence is completely illogical, since folks who are enjoying a show enough to attempt to fit its in-universe incidents and changes in appearance together, can't be anything but enriched by doing so.

If you'd step down for just a moment from your holier-than-thou attitude, you might want to give it a try.
This is simply a form of entertainment, one usually makes the best of stuff like that, or else engages in something that doesn't bother them so.
And NO, again..., I'm not saying anything about your perceived status as a Trek Fan, I'm simply pointing out facts about how most folks take in anything of entertainment value.

 

[MarsWeeps]

I gave this one a 10/10.

I knew Una's past was going to come back to haunt her. Maybe that's why we never hear about her again? She'll obviously be back for the remainder of the series but who knows what happens at the end?

Loved the re-telling of Balance of Terror and how things could have gone.

2 minor nits:
I always envisioned that the Farragut was a Constitution class. Sorry to see it wasn't, even if this is a different time line.
I don't care for the actor playing Kirk. Seems too weasel-like.

Now, the long wait until season 2.

 

[Yistaan]

I'm not at all sold on Paul Wesley as Kirk yet.

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[Amaris]

I really liked this one, it's definitely in my top 10 list of Strange New Worlds episodes...

*slow clap*

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

No, because a friendly hug doesn't equate automatically to "Oh, Pike and La'an must be lovers." That's just reading too much into something that isn't there...

Watch, in Season 2 in some random episode Pike & La'an manage to sleep together and have a secret relationship.

Future Pike barely aged in what maybe 20 years. He would be about 65 to 67. He looked pretty much the same except for the uniform.

They learned the secret of slow Asian aging and mass produced it.

 

[Tuskin38]

due to them cementing Pike's fate when they had previously hinted at it being avoided.

They never hinted at that.

 

[Dar70]

Future Pike barely aged in what maybe 20 years. He would be about 65 to 67. He looked pretty much the same except for the uniform.

Yeah they did an awful job of aging pike. He should have had all white hair and more wrinkles. But his hair looked exactly the same. He had a little more bagginess under his eyes and that was it...

 

[UssGlenn]

I'm a little curious what the Batleth centered solution the Monks wanted to do before Movie Pike convinced them to let him go back.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Watch, in Season 2 in some random episode Pike & La'an manage to sleep together and have a secret relationship.

Shush, before you give the writers some ideas...

 

[ToddCam]

I don't get the Jim Carrey reference to the Kirk actor. He doesn't really look like him other than being a white man with dark hair, at least not to me. From this thread I would have thought Kirk was saying "All righty then" to every statement or when taking off in the shuttle shouting "Somebody stop me!"

I thought the actor was fine. I saw enough of James T. Kirk in broad strokes. I didn't see Shatner, but none of the recasts have been impressions, at least that I can recall.

I've been a Star Trek fan since 1988, and I don't ever recall hearing or seeing the term Monster Maroon. Is there anything about the monster part? Is this a reference to old actors gaining weight?

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, we've had 10 good or even great episodes in a row. Don't encourage them to ruin things.

 

[MarsWeeps]

Then, it goes all Balance of Terror on us. I wish they made this episode a 2 parter, or just linger and showed us Bailey and more tips of the hat to the classic episode.

Bailey wasn't in Balance of Terror.