When did the Janeway hatred truly start to coalesce?

indeed. Sure, Riker’s was a very unusual and not easily replicated event, but it’s not as if they were in any hurry. They could have studied the issue until they were ready to duplicate Tuvix, then separate one of them into the two crewmen (preferably all in a single go, so the second tuvix isn’t “killed”) and everybody wins (and voyager gains a very experienced officer).

truth be told, this happens a lot in Star Trek. Main character in distress? Oh no, the horror! Crewmen died? Who cares?

 

The problem was that Tuvix was a cage that was torturing Tuvok and Neelix.

If you create a duplicate Tuvix, then you have 2 trapped Neelixs and two trapped Tuvoks.

Which two do you free?

Are you freeing the original two, or two crap fake copies?

 

<the ethical quandaries of treating transporter technology as a ditto-machine for sentient beings>

 

No it wasn’t. That’s not anywhere in the episode. Neelix and Tuvok weren’t suffering, as they no longer existed.

are very important but in this case I think less so than allowing a person to die to save two. The reason I wrote that the duplication and separation procedures should have been done together is exactly to alleviate the ethical issues of creating a new life to immediately destroy it.
The issue is still there, of course, but I believe it was a better option than what we got.

 

I still think that if they had any intention of separating Tuvix then they should have put him into stasis as quickly as possible, rather than allowing him to believe he might be allowed to continue his joined existence.

 

I didn't mean they were literally conscious and aware inside Tuvix.

But they are inside him burdened with some serious functional confinement.

 

No, I agree. Mark did nothing wrong. And Janeway clearly did not fault him.

Extremely. It reminded me of a convict being walked from their cell to the electric chair.

I think that Riker's duplication occured under very specific atmospheric conditions. It was impossible to just randomly replicate.

We have a Tuvix topic, if you really want to get into this.

But in short, yes. Tuvix is very much a reason for a person to decide that that don't like Janeway much.

 

could have been a good idea.

or perhaps they were content of being a joined being, like Curzon and Odo.

Sure.

impossible is a big word. They already did a transporter miracle to separate them, could have already investigated this option.

 

Imagine the implications if it were replicable? Every time I go on a dangerous away mission, let’s duplicate me as a backup. Keep the backup in stasis. If I die, wake the backup. If I’m OK, destroy the backup.

Or I’ll just do like Michael Keaton in Multiplicity and make a bunch of myselves to split my workload.

 

Starfleet frowns upon murdering transporter clones.

 

it’s pretty clear this could be done. It has happened twice already (four times if we count the split Kirk, which I don’t), so all it needs to be done is enough research.

If anything, it’s etics that keeps them for doing as you suggest. They really don’t like having duplicates.

 

But not regular clones, like Riker did in "Up the Long Latter."

 

That became illegal a few years later in "A Man Alone", so it's lucky Riker killed his clone when he did or else he would've been stuck with two of him walking around.

 

Then again, Bajoran law may not align with Federation law.

 

I feel like a steamroller just hit me.

 

Odo is not a Starfleet officer.

 

“Killing your own clone is still murder… under Bajoran law. If you were smarter you’d have done it under Federation jurisdiction, where it’s legal!”

 

But, they'll still get you for illegal genetic experiments.

 

Wasn't Riker's clone partially developed and - mentally - tabula rasa? The other clone was fully developed with an accompanying personality.

 

Not only was there no law establishing Riker killing his clone being illegal, but his and Pulaski's dna was stolen from them. They were assaulted with a weapon and subjected to a procedure they said no to earlier in the episode.

It would be like telling a woman who was raped and was pregnant due to that rape that she had no choice but to carry that baby to term. It's her body, her choice. Same applies to Riker and Pulaski's clone situation.