Life in the 23rd Century, SNW style

[Jedi Marso]

We caught a glimpse of Earth in the season opener, and we got the chance to breathe a bit and see the characters going about more mundane stuff aboard Starbase 1 in Spock Amok.

Is anyone else interested in seeing the crew visit, if not Earth itself, another advanced Federation world to experience the life and times they live in? In Picard S1 I enjoyed the time spent on Earth, seeing how familiar places might look and feel a few centuries from now. I'd like to see the same with SNW and their production team.

What brought this on? Oddly enough, I was riding to LaGuardia airport last week on my way home from a work trip, and noticed several futuristic buildings in the Manhattan skyline that weren't there several years ago, and realized that 21st Century NYC already looks a lot different than early 20th Century NYC. I'm sure London and some other international cities, especially in the far east, have the same thing going on.

I'd like to see the show take a look at 'contemporary' 23rd Century Earth. How do people live, what do they do? How do the cities look, and how are they laid out? Maybe they could finally tackle the economic issues- is this truly a post-scarcity civilization or not? And whether it is or not, what role does money still play in the economy?

Maybe in some sort of shore-leave style episode, when the big-E is getting a systems upgrade or they are ripping that non-canon medical transporter out of sick bay...

 

[Timofnine]

Are Starfleet Officers/Federation citizens allowed to keep a licensed phaser at home in the 23rd century?

 

[TRON JA307020]

Are Starfleet Officers/Federation citizens allowed to keep a licensed phaser at home in the 23rd century?

Probably not. A phaser is starfleet issue and they probably have to remain on ship.

 

[Timofnine]

Probably not. A phaser is starfleet issue and they probably have to remain on ship.

But we have seen how even those Starfleet issue phasers stored on 23rd century ships can be misused. For example, this season in the episode ‘Spock Amok’ Una and La’an used phasers set to the minimum stun setting to ‘sting’ and ‘tickle’ each other. This was an abuse of an offensive weapon. They were also replicating the behaviour of cadets who were also ‘stinging’ each other in a similar way, so this is a common misuse of weapons tech. This shows that no matter where phasers are stored there is still the potential of misuse. What about other offensive weapons such as disruptors? Ferengi energy whips? Klingon torture sticks? If phasers or *any* other non Starfleet weapon for that matter were indeed allowed in Federation citizen’s households then surely they could potentially be misused in a similar way? One day, someone might forget to set the phaser or Ferengi energy whip to ‘stun’ and accidentally seriously harm or even kill the person that they meant to sting or tickle. There was also misuse of transporter technology in this particular episode, but that is another story.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Not to turn the thread into an argument about weapons right out of the gate, I would imagine there are any number of energy weapons with stun settings available on the market for personal defense. Can private citizens walk around with phasers with disintegrate settings? I dunno. It opens the door to murder without evidence- you kill the victim AND dispose of the body with one trigger press.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Not to turn the thread into an argument about weapons right out of the gate, I would imagine there are any number of energy weapons with stun settings available on the market for personal defense. Can private citizens walk around with phasers with disintegrate settings? I dunno. It opens the door to murder without evidence- you kill the victim AND dispose of the body with one trigger press.

Yeah the phaser vaporizes with no trace left. No I would think phasers are a starfleet invention and they keep it close to the vest.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Yeah the phaser vaporizes with no trace left. No I would think phasers are a starfleet invention and they keep it close to the vest.

You saw a civilian Farmer having his own Plasma Long Gun in ST:ENT in the opening episode.

Given the crazy amount of Holographic Camera's pervading the JJ-verse when John Harrison tried to escape in the city. I HIGHLY doubt you could get away with anything.

If you thought China had a crazy amount of Camera's, nearly every corner of UFP society has Holo Camera's monitoring nearly every public corner of civilized society.

You couldn't brandish any form of weaponry without being cought on Public Security Holo Camera's & sensors.

You literally have to kidnap somebody covertly, transport them away with a private transporter that isn't being monitored (Unlikely since everything seems to be monitored), and then vaporize them in a place where there are no Scanners, Camera's, Sensors, or Satellites are watching.

A very difficult process indeed given how much of society is being constantly watched 24/7/365.

Even if you have any weapon you want and are legally licensed or illegally obtained it, security & scanners are so pervasive that you would probably be caught immediately if you stepped outside into public society with any form of "Arms" where your status as a "Citizen" is of a 'convicted violent felon'

 

[The Wormhole]

Probably not. A phaser is starfleet issue and they probably have to remain on ship.

In the late 24th century we see Picard keeps several phasers around the vineyard. And that was while he was retired from Starfleet.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

In the late 24th century we see Picard keeps several phasers around the vineyard. And that was while he was retired from Starfleet.

In the US, many military officers in the past, historically got to purchase their service arms and bring it back with them.

Picard keeping several phasers isn't any different from that kind of tradition. Especially in the replicator age where many items are generally "Cheap".

Picard is also a highly decorated StarFleet Flag Officer by the time of his retirement. He's literally a living legend.

Without Picard & Riker, the UFP / Humanity would be lost to the Borg.

Without Sisko, the Dominion would've won.

Without Janeway, who knows what kind of crazy infiltration / subterfuge Species 8472 would've accomplished considering they simultaed StarFleet HQ.

Even Michael Burnham is considered a hero by the 32nd century for everything she's accomplished, including preventing the CONTROL / AI Machine apocalypse & solving "The Burn".

 

[F. King Daniel]

Seeing as the show is heavily inspired by the Kelvin movies, especially visually, I imagine it'd be pretty much the Earth of Star Trek Into Darkness (which was an amazing place, to say the least)

We saw future Paris in Discovery's season one finale, and it was an overbuilt megalopolis just like the Kelvin universe's London and San Fran.

 

[Jedi Marso]

As much as I love weapons discussions, can we drift back to the OP and civil life in the 23rd Century?

 

[The Wormhole]

can we drift back to the OP and civil life in the 23rd Century?

Love Instructors are a common part of everyday life on 23rd century Earth. Let it be Canon.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

I actually hope we never see normal day-to-day life on Earth...in any iteration of Trek.

Because if Earth is the utopia that everyone says it is, then that would probably be rather dull.

 

[Kamen Rider Blade]

Love Instructors are a common part of everyday life on 23rd century Earth. Let it be Canon.

What exactly is a "Love Instructor"?
Is it a official job?
Is it similar to Firefly where "Companion" is a euphamism for Legalized Government sanctioned "Prostitute"?

 

[Jedi Marso]

I imagine a love instructor would be a sex instructor. Someone who literally comes over and teaches you various sexual techniques to improve your performance.

Not something I want to see in a TV episode of Trek, though, other than as a casual reference.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

What exactly is a "Love Instructor"?
Is it a official job?

We have no idea what they actually do, and I hope we never find out.

It's just something that Gene Roddenberry made up while in Full Bozo Future Psychobabble mode.

I mean, Gene supposedly said that James Kirk was named after "his mother's first love instructor". We've all seen ST09, we've seen what George Kirk was like. Does George look like the kind of wuss which would make Winona NEED a "love instructor"? I think not.

 

[Jedi Marso]

Gene and his kinky shit...

I think I do remember reading something like that in one of the novelizations.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Gene and his kinky shit...

I think I do remember reading something like that in one of the novelizations.

Most likely the TMP novel. Which Gene wrote himself. And it shows.

I mean, this is the same man who also suggested that everyone on Earth would live underground in TOS' time. So very, very glad they didn't go down THAT road.

 

[Nyotarules]

We have no idea what they actually do, and I hope we never find out.

It's just something that Gene Roddenberry made up while in Full Bozo Future Psychobabble mode.

I mean, Gene supposedly said that James Kirk was named after "his mother's first love instructor". We've all seen ST09, we've seen what George Kirk was like. Does George look like the kind of wuss which would make Winona NEED a "love instructor"? I think not.

Unless James, the love instructor was female

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Unless James, the love instructor was female

Winona didn't appear to need "instructing" any more than George did...