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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x09 - "All Those Who Wander"

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It's derivative of Aliens . Let's just admit it. It even had newt.
Admit what nobody is actually denying? Like at all? Not even a little bit?

Look, I really don't think they're in any way trying to pull a fast one here. They clearly knew exactly what they were referencing and deliberately leaned into it HARD, and only just shy of parody. Like they even had Not-That-Kirk channelling Bill Paxton!

People calling it a rip-off is a massive stretch. It's a deliberate homage. Whether or not one thinks it's a *good* homage or not is of course another matter entirely.

Personally I thought it was easily the weakest episode of the show so far, which is pretty damned impressive for any first season of Trek. Yeah it sucks Hemmer is killed off just as we were getting to know him, but if they're going it at this point it must have been planned from the get-go, so I don't' count it as a failing of this episode in particular.
 
Again, Star Trek has a long history of doing pastiches of other stories. "Starship Mine" is Die Hard on a spaceship. "Balance of Terror" is The Enemy Below in space. "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" are Seven Days in May with the Federation. "Someone to Watch Over Me" is Pygmalion. "Twilight" has similarities to Momento. "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad" is Groundhog Day. "Et in Arcadia Ego" is the Orpheus myth. And there are plenty more.
 
No one is denying it.

My only lament is that it legitimizes a terrible franchise.

Alien is a good movie! More than deserving of its own pastiche. I'm told that Aliens is also a good movie; James Cameron doesn't make bad ones.

The less said about Alien³, Alien: Resurrection, Alien vs. Predator, Alien vs. Predator: Requiem, Prometheus, or Alien: Covenant, the better.
 
Spock and Hammer NOT friendship is a missed opportunity. In episode 2 it felt as if they could be close friends since Spkck knew a lot about Hammer. They could have been like Data and Geordi from TNG but because this is NU Trek, the writing is still pretty generic so they forgot about spock and hammer been friends. fast forward episode 9, we are meant to get emotional about Spock loosing Hammer when they have not spoken since the second episode.

I am watching and reading the reviews of this episode of 9 and the critics are the same, this show is morphing into discovery 2.0 in terms of bad writing and stereotypical characters.
His name was Hemmer.
[say it like a "Fight Club" chant]
 
Again, Star Trek has a long history of doing pastiches of other stories. "Starship Mine" is Die Hard on a spaceship. "Balance of Terror" is The Enemy Below in space. "Homefront"/"Paradise Lost" are Seven Days in May with the Federation. "Someone to Watch Over Me" is Pygmalion. "Twilight" has similarities to Momento. "Magic to Make the Sanest Man Go Mad" is Groundhog Day. "Et in Arcadia Ego" is the Orpheus myth. And there are plenty more.


Yeah but this one blatantly ripped off actual characters like Newt and transformed the gorn into the Aliens from Aliens
Fast growing baby Aliens and all.
 
Alien is a good movie! More than deserving of its own pastiche. I'm told that Aliens is also a good movie; James Cameron doesn't make bad ones.

The less said about Alien³, Alien: Resurrection, Alien vs. Predator, Alien vs. Predator: Requiem, Prometheus, or Alien: Covenant, the better.
You’re told Aliens is a good movie? You haven’t seen it? I suppose you don’t need to now.
 
Yeah but this one blatantly ripped off actual characters like Newt

And Mark Lenard's Romulan Commander is just Curd Jürgens's Kapitän zur See von Stolberg with the serial numbers filed off, and Robert Foxworth's Admiral Leyton is just Burt Lancaster's General Scott, and Li Nalas on DS9 is just Rance from The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance. That's how pastiches work.

transformed the gorn into the Aliens from Aliens
Fast growing baby Aliens and all.

Yes, that's how you do a pastiche of Alien: an alien creature must be depicted as gestating within a person before killing them when "born." No one is contesting that. That is, again, how pastiches work.

You’re told Aliens is a good movie? You haven’t seen it? I suppose you don’t need to now.

I'll get around to it at some point! :)
 
Alien is a good movie! More than deserving of its own pastiche. I'm told that Aliens is also a good movie; James Cameron doesn't make bad ones.

The less said about Alien³, Alien: Resurrection, Alien vs. Predator, Alien vs. Predator: Requiem, Prometheus, or Alien: Covenant, the better.
Agree to disagree, etc.
Yeah but this one blatantly ripped off actual characters like Newt and transformed the gorn into the Aliens from Aliens
Fast growing baby Aliens and all.
Yes, and?

I don't believe a single person is denying this at all.

The question is did you enjoy the story at all? No, cool, there's another episode next week. You did? Awesome, there's another episode next week. Looks like we're all in the same boat.
 
When Paramount hires you to serve as the executive producer and overall head honcho of all Star Trek productions, you get to make that decision. Until then, potential continuity issues get decided by Alex Kurtzman and the people he hires

What?
It has tos stick to canon because that is what was planned and that is what has been built on. if the show , when announced said this is a full reboot in an alternate reality like the kelvin verse, than canon would not matter.

I swear, there is something strange here on this board, if I did not know better i would say many people here are kurtzman and godsman plants and paramount plus PR gurus or the myth of how people give the pretty white blonde girl character a pass must be true and don't apply the same rules they set for other characters.

You people are the same folks that gave the kelvin films a hard time even though that series is not prime canon but SNW that is prime canon, these same folks are now saying it should not matter when SNW has by 99% more objective reason to stick to canon that was demanded of the kelvin films that never had too.

No I am not going to let that kind of inconsistency slide after all the hate that has shown to kelvinverse. SNW , on paper... the way it is writing some characters should get more hate than the kelvin films ever did especially for characters like Pike, Chapel and Ortegea. Heck even Hammer been killed off is far more bad writing and hollow than Kelvin Pike getting killed off.

No, there will be big Issue if they go too far with spock and chapel, this will create more continuity issue than even Michael Burnham because at least Michael we can argue she was classified and spock never saw her again. Spock gets to see Chapel every day and not once did Spock even return her feelings, if this was a lost love there will be some traces or some signs that something happened but TOS never showed that from Spock POV. TOS Spock never even understood Chapel or knew her well enough in TOS. He found most of her crush on him behaviour odd. Also SNW has already damaged canon with Chapel knowing about Sybok.

Seriously I am kind of shocked by how much Chapel seems to be getting a pass here, when she is been written worse than her TOS self and is the character that is breaking canon the most. she knows sybok, she knows tpring. Yeah Laan may know Michael but Laan is not a TOS Character.

Taking advantage of a situation to come onto him. Her face on her hands that is not a friend thing. Chapel should not have done that because Spock is engaged to Tpring. She crossed a line that is why it is over the top because she is not respecting boundaries. which is very odd because considering episode 7 when she says she knows were she stands with him. So Chapel is written to be obsessed here. I think she wanted Spock to kiss her , that is why she had his hand in his face. She was egging him on hence her disappointment on her face as she watched him go.

Sorry that will be a TAS Episode, cant remember the name but she uses a love portion on Spock.
Chapel is the worst female on the show and she is lucky she is the pretty white girl because if things were different I doubt fans will be giving her a pass so easily.

Finally yes SNW is Discovery 2.0 because Hammer is now the Airiam of Discovery. I find it badly hilarious that Spock in this Nu trek TV show era, has ''mourned'' the loss of two characters he was barely close too.

The Nimoy Spock from TOS will find it quite illogical.
 
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Thing is: it is sticking to canon. This is seven years before we first see Chapel in TOS. That's a lot of time for both her and her relationship with Spock to develop and she also has a fiancee in the mix who won't come into the picture for another year or two.

This may not look like canon to some fans but it is and if this stuff isn't bothering me with my hardcore TOS tendencies then it shouldn't bother others like this.
 
Thing is: it is sticking to canon. This is seven years before we first see Chapel in TOS. That's a lot of time for both her and her relationship with Spock to develop and she also has a fiancee in the mix who won't come into the picture for another year or two.

This may not look like canon to some fans but it is and if this stuff isn't bothering me with my hardcore TOS tendencies then it shouldn't bother others like this.
The idea of "sticking to canon" means never changing. Which is completely, 100%, illogical. But, that's the expectation is complete static behavior from one show to the next.
 
If this doesn't lead directly into TOS with everything lining up perfectly, that's okay. It's just another "version" of Star Trek. I'm enjoying this one on its own merits because it entertains me.

To me, TOS is on its own elevated level separate from the rest of the franchise, so it doesn't matter much what any of the other shows or movies do. My beloved TOS is still there.

I must say, I never cared one bit for the Chapel character until this show. She's finally interesting and compelling, and actually has a personality. Not to mention better acting skills from the actor in the role.

Kor
 
It is interesting that in T'Pring's justification of her actions in "Amok Time," she says that even if Spock won the fight but did not divorce her, he would be away in space somewhere while she would have his land and titles... and still have Stonn.


It would actually be TAS, not TOS. "Mudd's Passion."
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Yes thank you and TAS was a follow up to TAS.

So not only has Chapel over step boundaries with Spock while he is still with Tpring.
She has used a love portion him or will use one in the future.

Seriously Chapel is still the worst and is been written as the most pathetic female character in star trek but I guess the crush fan boys have on Jess Bush unlike the mousy TOS Chapel, makes everything okay.

No, it doesn't.

You made the rules. if you dont like kelvinverse because it did not feel close to canon or did not feel like canon, you cannot now say SNW should stay away from canon because SNW is factually a prime canon prequel. You should factually hold SNW in a higher responsibility in sticking to canon.

Hypocrisy always tend to show you are on the wrong side of the argument.
 
TOS itself added rooms to the Enterprise, a second slot viewer to the bridge, replaced the main viewscreen, got rid of gooseneck station viewers, changed door colors, the size and shape of the Captain's quarters from "The Cage" to the regular series, didn't even add shuttlecraft until halfway through the first season, changed uniforms at least twice in 80 episodes and even removed nacelle spikes, a taller bridge module and a larger deflector dish from the Enterprise.

Trek changes so much within individual series that it can sometimes be jarring.
 
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