To take it a step further, you'd think people would be even more open-minded in the 23rd Century than Today, not less.Human Sexuality isn't as cut and dried as many folks would like to believe.
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Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 1x05 - "Spock Amok"
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I miss having access to the full scholarly database in grad school. This would be an interesting topic...if slightly annoying.
Replacement theory panic? Fear of losing relevance? You know. The usual.
I noticed that as well.
By the same logic almost no fictional character is definitely straight. That's a bit ridiculous. (EDIT: doesn't mean one should assume, mind you)
I heard 4%, myself. And well under 1% for trans.
But it doesn't matter. It could be much higher; I just don't think precise proportional representation is the real issue.
But isn't the whole point of acting to play someone you're not? It kind of defeats the purpose to specifically seek -- for instance -- left-handed actors to play left-handed characters, or to avoid dying your hair and instead cast someone of the appropriate hair colour instead.
Ian McKellen deplored the idea that gay people should only play gay characters quite a while ago.
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Nonsense: we're building an ark right this moment!!
Huh, that works on a couple of levels!!
Spock thought so - his response: "Logical...Flawlessly logical."
To which T'Pring replied: "I am honored..."
It's fascinating! Textual Poachers by Henry Jenkins. It's really good and references stuff Joanna Russ wrote on the subject of slash fic back in the 70's
I thought it was great.
Apropos of nothing, me and my wife had been in an twelve hour argument about really nothing at all. Watching T'Pring and Spock in this episode inspired me to apologise for not seeing something from her perspective and in an instant everything was fine.
Really lovely episode. Just sad not to see Hemmer. Jess Bush has me completely won over as Chapel. I was really on the fence, but she's brilliant I think.
I'd like to know what kind of person lies under the over-wisecracking exterior of Ortegas. I'd really like her to have some focus soon.
Apropos of nothing, me and my wife had been in an twelve hour argument about really nothing at all. Watching T'Pring and Spock in this episode inspired me to apologise for not seeing something from her perspective and in an instant everything was fine.
Really lovely episode. Just sad not to see Hemmer. Jess Bush has me completely won over as Chapel. I was really on the fence, but she's brilliant I think.
I'd like to know what kind of person lies under the over-wisecracking exterior of Ortegas. I'd really like her to have some focus soon.
I blame Hollywood. Things like When Harry Met Sally trying to tell us every straight friendship was actually attraction primed everyone to look for romance in friendship. The difference is, some people could not see romance in same-sex friendships without it hitting them on the head (like Nurse Chapel).
I for one really love a non-romantic relationship. I actually dislike Kirk/Spock very much. I know sex isn't entirely transactional, but it for me adds something... not negative, but a different feel, I guess? A good, strong friendship is what I feel between those two. This has nothing to do with their sexualities, though. Even if both men were 100% gay I don't think I'd like them together.
My guess is that each of the characters will have their day in the sun....that seems to be the pattern right now!
I actually think television, in general, does "deep friendships" much better than "romantic relationships."
Or maybe it's just that I prefer watching the friendships develop and all that comes with that. I guess it's one of the reasons I think most shows "jump the shark" when two main characters finally get together or whatever.
Yeah. I'm a straight woman who has been intimate with women. Yet, I don't consider myself to be bisexual. AND THAT'S OKAY (because...spectrum lol) and jesus we should probably say something about Spock now.
100%.
There isn't so much an idea of a trajectory to those. When O'Brien and Bashir became best friends (another 'couple' idea I hate) it was gradual, and eventually very deep. The very much 'no homo' nature of the 1990s kept them from saying "I love you" to each other, but it was clear they did.
Conversely, in the DS9 episode "Meridian" we are expected to believe the 300+ year old Jadzia Dax combo was so overwhelmingly in love with Brigadoon guy that she was willing to give up her entire life to be with him, but when that failed, she just shrugs it off. What does love even mean there?
Did you consider switching Katra?
It mirrors some social views. A former boss of mine was of the opinion that friendship between (straight) men and women was impossible. A strange outlook, I thought.
Idem for Frodo/Sam.
100%.
There isn't so much an idea of a trajectory to those. When O'Brien and Bashir became best friends (another 'couple' idea I hate) it was gradual, and eventually very deep. The very much 'no homo' nature of the 1990s kept them from saying "I love you" to each other, but it was clear they did.
Conversely, in the DS9 episode "Meridian" we are expected to believe the 300+ year old Jadzia Dax combo was so overwhelmingly in love with Brigadoon guy that she was willing to give up her entire life to be with him, but when that failed, she just shrugs it off. What does love even mean there?
I'm so glad you said that. I really dislike Spock/Kirk A LOT for the same reason. And have argued with shippers that it's not about gay because if they were both gay characters in canon I would still dislike it. Because people can be friends, can love each other without being sexually attracted. And the power of their friendship and how it grew and weathered storms and betrayals and became so important to both of them was a powerful story.
I smiled every time I heard it. More hijinks please.
Welcome back to episodic TV. They bonded between episodes.
I think the sickest burn that episode got was, "Riker tries to rescue the lone heterosexual woman on a planet of extremist lesbians."
I thought that was Troi with the space jellyfish?!?
